Now I see why they call it ‘Media Mangler’

[Mark Raudonis]

Bob,
You’re NOT imaginining things.

Media manager and multiclip are NOT friends.

You’re correct that the work around is to go back and “cut in ” the original media.

I don’t know a solution for this other than that. Perhaps someone else can chime in.

Mark

[Bob Roberts]

For sake of not completely bashing MM…I use an Online(SD)/Offline(SD) with multiclips for music videos all the time:

1) Digitize tapes at SD NTSC, 10-bit Uncompressed
2) MM to DV
3) cut
4) MM and reconnect back to 10-bit Uncompressed

No problems…so, go figure with HD/SD.

[Mark Raudonis]

I think the issue here is NOT HD to SD, but multiclipping.

We use MM everyday too. We’ve just got to do a LOT of manual workarounds ’cause nearly all of our stuff is multiclipping.

Mark

[Bob Flood]

Bob

dont “re media manage to back to HD” just copy your timeline over to the HD edit system, and reconnect the timeline media

then copy all the clips from the dv timeline to an HD timeline so the source media and timeline match

what i do is i use multiclip to get my first cut down, usually pretty tight. but then its faster for me to back load clips and gang em, or just look at cameras straight.

soooo you would do all your multiclip editing at dv, get it pretty locked up, then collapse your clips, reconnect to HD, and any more ediitng just do straight (or make new multiclips)

at least that should work better than 10 percent

hope this helps

“I like video because its so fast!”

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Pat Defilippo]

Hello,

Just a thought – have you tried “collapse multiclip” to the one angle you want before going into the mangler? That pretty much chooses the one angle out of the however-many-you-had and helps reduce dropped frames during playback, anyway. The multiclip does keep your unused angles, so you can go back later and “un-collapse” if you need to.

I don’t know if this might be your answer or not – I haven’t tried it myself before MM. Just select all of your multiclips, right click and select “collapse multiclip”. Then, try the mangler and see if that helps.

Good luck,
-Pat

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[David Mcclellan]

You are not alone in your grief – I just tried to media manage a very long training DVD that was ALL multi clips – and FCP completely lost it on 2 of the sequences. I guess that is pretty good considering that there were 15 or 16 sequences. I have no idea why – as they were all cut in the same fashion with 3 camera setups and then collapsed. I was just trying to move the media to a backup LaCie FW Drive to take to client for approval – so my original clips were still intact – however I am wary of Media Manager because – to paraphrase the great Will Farrell “80 percent of the time it works every time…” Words to media Manage by.

-DM

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[Mark Raudonis]

[David M.] “all cut in the same fashion with 3 camera setups and then collapsed.”

I’ve found that collapsing is often not enough. You have to actually replace, shot by shot the multiclip with it’s corresponding “original” angle. Do that, and the results are predictable. Don’t do it and it’s anyone’s guess.

Yes, this takes a very long time to do, but it may be the only thing that works dependably.

Mark

[Tom Wolsky]

Does it work properly if you drag the sequence into a new project?

All the best,

Tom

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[Josh Hatter]

We had no problems with multiclip Media Managed projects in FCP 5.1.4, then it stopped working properly in 6.0.1, and is back to being fully functional for us in 6.0.2. We MM DVCPro HD and XDCam multiclip shows, nothing less than 30 min.

Symptoms would be not having the right part of a master clip in the timeline, audio sync issues, just a messy messy deadline missing experience.

I havent heard any complaints since the upgrade to 6.0.2.

Good luck and sorry for the pain.

Josh Hatter
HDNet Engineering

[Erich Hoberg]

I know I’m jumping in this a little late, but I just got involved with a DVcProHD project requiring a 6 angle multiclip that I am thinking of editing offline. My initial reaction is to down convert the hd footage through my aja kona 3, edit the multicam sequences, delete (or move) the dv clips, then recapture the timeline at full resolution. That should work in theory right? What you guys are saying is that it doesn’t though because it loses the multicam cuts? Or is that only an issue going through the media manager?

Erich Hoberg
iEdit Creative
FCP 6.0.2