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  • no more flash, which output for lower third titles with encoded alpha channel AE & media encoder question:

    Posted by Tom Lansford on July 5, 2014 at 8:26 am

    Adobe removed support for flv / flash

    They want me to use H.264

    I need to render titles with alpha encoded. In the media encoder, the only option I found for this was the flv output… So I have used it for a while.

    Now it is gone. The only option is the AE render queue, lossless with encoded alpha – takes forever and generates titles that are 80 to 100 times larger than compressed file formats.

    I have scoured the media encoder – I could be blind, but I have not found a way to output titles with alpha…

    It can’t be true, so I hope someone can give me a tip here.

    I want to use the media encoder for output if possible. I’d like to use a compressed format for title output.

    Thanks for the help – Tom

    Kevin Camp replied 12 years, 2 months ago 4 Members · 12 Replies
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  • Brian Charles

    July 5, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    [Tom Lansford] “I want to use the media encoder for output if possible. I’d like to use a compressed format for title output.”

    Adobe recommends using a legacy version of Media Encoder for flv output.
    See:

    https://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2014/06/removal-flv-f4v-swf-export-adobe-media-encoder-after-effects-premiere-pro.html

  • Tom Lansford

    July 5, 2014 at 11:50 pm

    I use the lower third for titling and the titles are used in PPro.

    It doesn’t matter if the output is FLV or some other format. I just want a title that works in PPRo

    I found this while working on 2 systems (mac) and one had updated to the version which no longer supports flv.

    It looks like such an obvious usage that I can’t imagine that there is not a standard way to do this provided by Adobe, and that I must be overlooking something obvious.

  • Tom Lansford

    July 5, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    running on macbooks.

    It sounds like this might not be possible using the standard codecs supported in CC?

    that would be odd.

  • Tom Lansford

    July 6, 2014 at 12:00 am

    [Brian Charles] “Adobe recommends using a legacy version of Media Encoder for flv output. “

    yep, I saw that. I’m running on cc and never looked at how to keep a legacy version running in parallel with updates…

    BTW, I do not care about flv per se. I just want to do titling with an Alpha channel. I could use any output. It would seem to me to be a simple thing and at the moment, I am making the assumption that there is a way to do this using the standard means of output from Adobe CC, and that I just have not found it or recognized it yet!

  • Brian Charles

    July 6, 2014 at 12:50 am

    [Tom Lansford] “BTW, I do not care about flv per se. I just want to do titling with an Alpha channel. I could use any output. It would seem to me to be a simple thing and at the moment, I am making the assumption that there is a way to do this using the standard means of output from Adobe CC, and that I just have not found it or recognized it yet!”

    When you select the Output Module set it to RGB+Alpha, then select the format you want. Note: not all formats support Alpha.

  • Tom Lansford

    July 6, 2014 at 4:52 am

    Let me add information to the post

    The media coder still outputs flv.

    The real problem for me is that PPro no longer reads in flv – it is declared an unsupported format. This is where I am currently stuck, although I expect support for writing out flv will end soon too.

    The reason I use flv is to create titles from AE for PPro and I use the alpha channel. FLV is the only output format from the media encoder that expressly presents the option to encode the alpha channel. So I do not care about FLV itself, just the right way to export titles.

    So – how do you guys generate your titles in AE that you use in PPro? That is really what I want to do!

  • Brian Charles

    July 6, 2014 at 5:45 am

    [Tom Lansford] “The reason I use flv is to create titles from AE for PPro and I use the alpha channel. FLV is the only output format from the media encoder that expressly presents the option to encode the alpha channel. So I do not care about FLV itself, just the right way to export titles. “

    If you encode using ProRes 444 or DnXHD 444 you will encode an alpha channel as long as the source composition contains one.

  • Tom Lansford

    July 6, 2014 at 8:05 am

    works, thanks …

    however,
    1) large file size
    2) not in the media encoder

    I prefer the media encoder, but that can be dealt with. The large file size can be worked around for a while, but it would be good to get back to 1mb files and not 80-100mb files

  • Tom Lansford

    July 6, 2014 at 8:07 am

    just tried your recommendation and have the DNxHD in the media encoder.

    It generates a 184mb mxf file compared to a 1mb flv file 🙂

    But …

    neither AE nor PP can read the mxf file…

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    July 6, 2014 at 3:34 pm

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