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New Mac Pro? I’m waiting patiently
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[Bobby Mosca] “I disagree. I will still have to jump online for stock footage, emails, research… whatever, and I’m comfortable doing that on the Mac. If I have to move to Windows for my editing machine, it would take an act of Congress to get me to go online with that thing, or leave it connected at all. I haven’t caught a virus in decades on my HP because I know what I’m doing, but I never feel safe on it. Working on Windows is just a sole-sucking enterprise.”
Most security firms agree that OSX is a lot less secure than current windows or linux. As more Macs will be in usage, more issues will show up and more maleware will be written.
First signs of this trend are very prominent:
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Well my experience with OSX networking vs Windows networking is OSX simply connects and finds things easy. To make Windows find things let alone mount is a major PITA. I have a linux file server and I’ve worked with Linux/Unix for close to 25 years so I’m very familiar with it. Samba, while it works, is a major PITA. Configuring Samba shares for anything more than a simple share take’s a Ph.D. and then some. NFS is great and works fine Linux to Linux but can also be tricky with multiple OS’s. NFS really sucks with Windows because you MUST purchase Windows Ultra Premium Extreme Suck Your Bank Account Dry For No Good Reason version because they won’t give you the NFS client on any other version, specifically Windows 7 Professional. Yea, …. your Professional but just not enough to warrent an NFS client.
All that being said, I run OSX on my MBP because FCPX is great for some projects and there is still some legacy FCP7 stuff I have to deal with. My MBP is bootcamped to Windows 7 because my 3D and CAD software either only runs on windows or runs better. My compute servers are Windows 7 because that is the cheapest and easiest to deal with and universally runs all of the software I need for rendering. My file servers are Linux because that works best and they cannot be rendering servers because not all of my software has a Linux version. So in the end, yea, it’s a complicated hodge – poge of OS’s and computers but each one for each need is tailor made to do what it does best. A note…. I can make it work because in my previous life I was a tech geek and I know all of the low level crap to keep it all running. If I had to pay to keep all of this going I would have a much simpler setup as I simply could not afford to do it any other way. I sympathize with those that must do this.
Lastly, my 2cents is HP makes crap and so does Dell. I had HP servers I managed at my last company and their reliability was atrocious. There support is way overpriced and abysmal at resolving issues. Dell support was passable, only because the subcontracted to local people who’s lively hood depending on doing a good job so my experience was I found they always worked to keep the customer happy even if it screwed Dell. They did not care about Dell they cared about the customer. I build my own PC’s and servers but still believe Apple hardware, in general, is a very good deal (sans overpriced MacPro’s) as it delivers a quality design at an affordable price. For those who really need a MacPro I hear your pain but you have to move on. I’ve said it before, MacPro revenue is less than %0.01 of Apples revenue. They don’t care about the product line. They don’t care you believe you need a tower and they will never license the OS or platform. You need to figure out an alternative solution to your problems.
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[Andrew Richards] “Mostly just FUD on my part. It reminds me of how much legacy junk is sitting beneath the surface on Windows.”
DLL’s are not a problem, they used to be in the past but that’s long over. 99 percent of people never have to deal with them, nor with the registry.
In X you have .kext files, preference files, terminal commands – equally frightening and arcane if you have problems in certain areas.There are quite a few people who dislike the ribbons. I am actually looking forward to it. It find shortcuts to common tasks very, very useful. Gnome Commander and Total Commander all the way for me.About the looks: I don’t care about how it looks as long as it works and I am faster with it. Same for the font rendering. Quarz renders nicer, yes, but it’s also a slow dog.
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[Gary Huff] “And that is solely Apple’s fault. Premiere is required to utilize QuickTime 7 to encode QuickTime files under Windows (outside of writing in the functionality from scratch), and until Apple allows encoding to ProRes using QuickTime 7, it’s a no-go.”
That’s not entirely true. At a high level, we want to avoid QT wherever possible in order to stay away from a 32-bit architecture. For example, we do not use QT player to decode H.264 in a .MOV wrapper but rather work around it to provide 64-bit performance.
Where we have to use QT is when there are propietary codecs such as ProRes where we must use QT. Even then, our performance is pretty robust.
Hope this helps,
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[Frank Gothmann] “The Quadro 4000 will work just fine.”
Which works in a Mac today, by the way. It’s one of the few cards that’s accepted, along with these: https://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda-mac-driver.html
I guess, from my perspective, if we went all windows, it’s certainly not going to be much cheaper. It is true that PCs have different levels of CPU in the i7s and such that can get wrapped in a much more configurable solution than an iMac or MacBookPro, but once you get up to the bigger procs, things even out pretty quickly, despite the PCs having a bit more card slot flexibility.
[Frank Gothmann] “It’s really heavy image processing stuff where the price/performance point of a Q6000 makes economic sense “
Don’t you know this is an FCPX or Other NLEs forum? Heavy image processing….pffff. 🙂
Jeremy
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[Jason Brown] “Wow, what a lively discussion I started.”
It’s our livelihoods after all! 🙂
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[Jeremy Garchow] “So why haven’t they killed it?”
Not sure…I can only guess. My guess is they want to sell off what they have. They might have the parts for a lot more, so they are going to make and sell them until the parts are gone. Well, with a few in standby for repairs.
Shane
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[Phil Hoppes] “I’ve said it before, MacPro revenue is less than %0.01 of Apples revenue. They don’t care about the product line. They don’t care you believe you need a tower and they will never license the OS or platform. You need to figure out an alternative solution to your problems.”
I am not a financial analyst. I have no idea how this stuff works. I am sure there is some sort of algorithm that calculates there real value of the %0.01 from the echo effect that’s created (like how many iPhones/iPads/MacBookPros, a MacPro “sells”).
Apple is a decently smart company. They have to know that the iDevice craze won’t last forever, and because it won’t last forever, what do they do after it? It is true that there’s no time like the present, and if you have success today, you have to leverage it, but do you think that Apple is short sighted to put themselves in a bubble? Why push something like Thunderbolt out in to the open? Thunderbolt has zero effect on iDevices. None.
I think the problem here is that Apple is looking too far ahead and is forgetting the present which is what is causing this uproar. The future they envision I am sure goes beyond an iDevice.
While Thunderbolt is not a problem solver for desktop computing today, it will be in a few short years. I do not think that Casey Dissmore is right (with all do respect). From copper to optical, Thunderbolt will change what a computer looks like, there’s no question. Hell, future PCIe configurations will change what a computer looks like. It’s too bad we are stuck in the middle of this today, but it will make sense sometime in the near future. But I know nothing, so it’s my opinion.
Jeremy
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I guess, from my perspective, if we went all windows, it’s certainly not going to be much cheaper. It is true that PCs have different levels of CPU in the i7s and such that can get wrapped in a much more configurable solution than an iMac or MacBookPro, but once you get up to the bigger procs, things even out pretty quickly, despite the PCs having a bit more card slot flexibility.”
Agreed, but I never said a high-end workstation, unless self-built, will be that much cheaper. You have much more options on the hardware side and things will be cheaper if you need special purpose machines such as little servers, NAS boxes, mid-level workstations or render nodes; also some peripherals will be cheaper.
Machine upgrades is also where you can save money, and quite significantly. New mainboard, processor, off you go. With an iMac and even Macpros it essentially is what it is. New processor means new machine.
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[Frank Gothmann] “The Q4000 for the Mac will most likely disappear if the Macpro goes, don’t you think?”
It will be developed strictly for the Hackintosh crowd. Right? 😉
[Frank Gothmann] “Machine upgrades is also where you can save money, and quite significantly. New mainboard, processor, off you go.”
But do you do that with something like an HP z800 or do you just buy a new z800? I am not interested in building our own machines. No thanks, I have enough to do.
Jeremy
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