New Mac Pro? I’m waiting patiently

[Chris Harlan]

[David Roth Weiss] “[Chris Harlan] “Promax is a well-known, often used company by many folks here in LA. I haven’t really looked at the machine they are touting, so I can’t say anything about it.”

Well Chris, we’ll have to rectify that – how about a personal guided tour of the ProMAX ONE by yours truly in the convenient ProMAX Burbank office?
“

I’d be delighted.

[David Roth Weiss] “[Chris Harlan] “When I eventually go to a PC workstation, it will probably be one of the HPs, though I would also consider some of the Avid-approved Dells. That’s just me.”

Maybe? Maybe not… Don’t rush to make that purchase just yet. 🙂
“

Fair enough. I promise to include it in my prospective machines.

[David Roth weiss]

[Chris Harlan] “I’d be delighted.”

Are you hitting NAB? If so, let’s set up a time to gab there and see the ONE. If not, ProMAX Burbank will be the spot.

David Roth Weiss
ProMax Systems
Burbank
DRW@ProMax.com
http://www.ProMax.com
Sales | Integration | Support

David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.

[Chris Harlan]

[David Roth Weiss] “Are you hitting NAB? If so, let’s set up a time to gab there and see the ONE. If not, ProMAX Burbank will be the spot.
“

Ain’t decided yet, but its running toward not.

[Dennis Radeke]

[Jules bowman] “I’m experimenting with PP5.5 at the moment and I truly hope adobe pull a rabbit out of the hat because at the moment it is making me miss FCP even more (yes, I still use 7 but that point is redundant going forward) by being frustrating in many ways where FCP7 seemed simple.”

Jules, we’ve put a lot of energy into making FCP editors happy but at the same time not stray from our own vision of what makes the best NLE ever. In the end, some people will not like our latest version because of something we didn’t do (like FCP7) that is critical to them. Our hope and always our goal is to make the best software for the most people and then listen on where we can make it better the next time.

Time will tell us if we were able to meet your needs. Also, don’t forget to always file your feature requests here: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

Dennis – Adobe guy…

[Jules Bowman]

Hey Dennis.

Thanks for the gee-up 🙂 I’m very aware Adobe are taking the opportunity here to try and accommodate those of us who weren’t on board with you before… which is admirable of you given you don’t owe us anything really. And I appreciate you still have your own vision for PP. And as I said, i’m going to have a proper look when it comes out.

In fact I was talking with a friend/collaborator about this today and said to him when it comes out i’m going to allocate a week to solely sitting down and working with CS6. I tried learning whilst doing a music video which was quite complicated in terms of what we are trying to do and it was the wrong project to jump in with because i simply don’t know enough of what I am doing in PP and i felt like someone had removed one of my hands and tied the other behind my back when all i wanted to do was focus on the edit.

So PP will definitely get a real shout. I mean the fact you have a Save As option puts you head and shoulders above the ‘other’ offering as far as i’m concerned 🙂 Oh, and I know they are antiquated and some may say redundant in this brave new editing world we have been shown, but you have tracks too. Go on! Get out of here! Tracks! Who’d have thought?

I will go over to the feature/feedback area after playing with CS6. I don’t feel I have used 5.5 enough to make comments as some may already be there just hidden, but off the top of my head things that really frustrated me were (and this is more for your curiosity I guess):

* I do hope you have a keyboard layout/map for allocating keystroke shortcuts: that list is a bit… hmmm

*There’s a shortcut which allows you to cut through all tracks at once whilst you’re playing in the timeline, but it stops the playhead when you hit it, which makes adding cuts to the beat on a whole track frustrating as i keep having to hit play again, whereas in FCP i can just play through the timeline and cut all tracks where i want. So I hope that changes 🙂

* I do hope your copy and paste attributes ends up as evolved as FCP (as in selecting which area of attributes I want pasted) and I can allocate the Q, W, E keys to copy, paste and remove attributes respectively as that is a huge time saver for me.

* I couldn’t find it though it must be there but i have made the f5 and f6 keys my lock all video tracks and lock all audio tracks so i can lock all of one so it won’t bring the bit i don’t want when i drag into the timeline. Also, sometimes i want to delete all the audio from a series of clips and for me it is easier to hit f5 (lock video) and just delete all the audio in one go.

In fact, i’m sure this is in there so if anyone actually knows and can point it out that’d be great. Google didn’t throw up a solution for that though i was probably asking it the wrong thing.

So yes, thanks for the reply and yes I am looking forward to it, and I do want to get on with it as I am aware from what people have said that it kicks arse within its backend, but for me at least editing in FCP was so very simple and intuitive and logical and sensible to the point where I am currently remaining with FCP7 despite it being 32 bit because it is so intuitive. And perhaps the things I would like and need in PP aren’t necessarily what others would want or need because of the way I edit, i guess, so i’m willing to wait and see what you’ve done before piping up in depth.

I am aware that others would watch how I edit and possibly scratch their heads, but it works for me (eg: i have never used multi-cam in FCP because when i do 5 or 6 camera edits i like laying each on a track and reducing each to 35% and then using the cut all shortcut to cut where i want and I remove the cameras i don’t want. I would hazard a guess that that seems almost masochistic to some, but i like it and it works for me, so I do it that way 🙂

So, we shall see, but I am very much looking forward to it, which is nice given the last year.

Oh, and as an aside to the FC10 or not debate and the Mac vs PC debate, Simon and I were both saying today we are undecided but very much considering moving our work to PCs – I edit and build websites, he does graphic design and motion animation – and keeping our macs for our playtime and web browsing, emails, downloads etc. The third of our team, Pete – audio – has already made that jump and is very happy with his geek made PC. Very very happy in fact.

We don’t believe we are in a post PC world, but it is obvious Apple do, so we are thinking that given we are going to be using computers for many years to come it is probably sensible to be on a platform that is going to support computer users.

I mean does anyone who is serious about editing, or graphic design, or motion animation, or even writing docs longer than 2 paragraphs really want to do it on a tablet? Really? I can barely get to the end of an email on a tablet without losing the will to live and the thought of trying to be pixel accurate with my finger or swipes of my fingers beggars belief. For us we have accepted Apple like being toy makers and selling to consumers. Sure, their toys are great: I am loving the iPad 3 versus my motorola Xoom, but, well…. there’s more to our use of technology than playing 🙂

[Andrew Richards]

[Walter Soyka] “Criticizing Windows for blue screens, registry edits, and DLL hell is like criticizing OS X for kernel panics, Terminal hacks, and permissions repair. Sometimes bad things happen on both platforms, because modern computers are enormously complex systems with zillions of failure modes — but they’re not part of the ordinary, every day experience.”

Yeah, I was really reaching with those when I brought them up. The point I was struggling to make, which I still hold true, is that I dislike the architecture of Windows. It may be a totally subjective opinion at this point, since as you noted Win7 is at least as solid as OS X when assembled by a learned hand. But UNIX feels like a first language to me while Windows is more like a foreign tongue in which I can say “hello, good bye, please, thank you, where’s the toilet” and feel thoroughly awkward doing it.

Without fail, any time I need to figure something out in Windows, I curse Windows aloud because it is so unintuitive. I just don’t like it! I use it more now than I used to thanks to VMware, and all that frequent use serves to remind me how much I prefer OS X.

But maybe I feel it more since a lot of my work is in the OS, not immersed in creative apps that are nearly indistinguishable from platform to platform

Best,
Andy

[Tim Wilson]

Andrew Richards/b> “But maybe I feel it more since a lot of my work is in the OS, not immersed in creative apps that are nearly indistinguishble from platform to platform….“

Completely fair and very well-stated. I think the end of your quote is exactly the point that Walter and others have been making, that if you’re a “legacy“ Mac guy working in a cross-platform application, the trip to Windows needn’t be the fire and brimstone it has historically been made out to be…or actually may have been. 🙂 For many (most?) people, it’s little more than getting past a boot screen, learning some keyboard shortcuts, and getting used to faster speeds. LOL

Tim Wilson
Associate Publisher, Editor-in-Chief
Creative COW Magazine
Twitter: timdoubleyou

[Chris Harlan]

[Tim Wilson] “For many (most?) people, it’s little more than getting past a boot screen, learning some keyboard shortcuts, and getting used to faster speeds. LOL
“

When I came over from Windows XP years ago, I had heard from many a Mac Head how different the experience would be. It just wasn’t that way. I found everything sort of the same but in a slightly different place.

[Jules Bowman]

Daniel, did you make the I Hate Mum doco for the bbc featuring Oxleas CAMHS?

[Steve Connor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZwModZmOzDs

Steve Connor
“FCPX Professional”
Adrenalin Television