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New Mac Pro “three years ahead of it’s time”
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Fair enough.
It’s just puzzling to me because I’m fairly to VERY active on lots of FCP X boards internationally.
And melt down problems with X are simply not a thing you read about AT ALL in the FCP X world.
If it was an actual hardware design issue – and not some specific interaction between the hardware and the only program experiencing the issues – I’d be more interested.
Basically, if X can run “full out” on a trashcan without issues – and Premiere Pro can run fine as well under “normal circumstances” it just seems clear to me that the issue back then was them wasn’t hardware, but hardware/software interaction in a specific edge-case use.
Seems quite simple to me, but maybe I’m being unreasonable.
As I often say. I’m not a hardware guy. Just someone grateful that with a couple hundred delivered X programs under my belt, I haven’t had a single project over the past few years (even those with significant motion graphics, multi-cam and higher raster content) that have had problems outside those I’ve caused for myself via momentary personal stupidity.
Oh well.
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Since there has been an official Apple recall/repair solution in place, there clearly is some level of hardware issue, at least related to GPU-caused render corruption and system lock-up.
https://9to5mac.com/2016/02/06/apple-mac-pro-repair-program-graphics-video/
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From their published recall limitations – (machines shipped during 3 specific months ONLY) seems to me that was a specific batch of cards in the life cycle of a product sold since Dec 2013.
Not a particularly strong case, IMO, for in arguing that the machine has “known problems.”
Seems to me they temporarily got a bad batch of parts – and recalled the problem machines to fix it.
Just saying’
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Strange that the chips in question for the recall were made in spring of 2015.
Every MacBook Pro I’ve had since 2006 the GPU has fried at least once. My two cheese graters both had the GPU die, the trashcan is the only one I haven’t been able to kill. I have been having freezing issues since installing Sierra however.
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Note that recall was for a specific defective batch of AMD GPU cards, manufactured from February 8, 2015 to April 11, 2015. The repair process consists of replacing these cards, not redesigning the nMP cooling system.
If it were an inherent thermal design problem OR a problem with Premiere or any other software, the nMPs which failed in a specific heavy workload would keep burning up after the GPUs were replaced, repetitively and without end. Deadpool would be the last feature film that could be edited on a nMP.
Just because the reported failures happened on Premiere or Resolve does not mean it’s a software problem. Different software exercises different load paths. In general it is the hardware’s responsibility to handle this, no matter what the software does. This is especially so with workstation-class hardware.
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[Joe Marler] “Deadpool would be the last feature film that could be edited on a nMP. “
Why do you say that? Do you mean because of the timeframe or something else?
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Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Darren,
Trust me, I’m certainly no Apple fanboy, and even more so, I’m not at all a fan of the trashcan MacPro, however, I will say that you my friend have had some really bad luck. In fact, I’ve never heard of any one person having as many catastrophic hardware failures as you’ve listed above with Apple computers. While nothing surprises me any longer about Apple (they won’t fool me ever again), I just have to say that your number was up for some reason, so rather than blaming Apple in your case, you may want to have your karma evaluated, because you have beat the odds in a negative sense. I would not recommend any trips to Vegas or Monte Carlo until you get this karma thing sorted out, and, if you’ve been considering scaling Everest any time soon, you might want to reconsider.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los AngelesDavid is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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[David Roth Weiss] “I’ve never heard of any one person having as many catastrophic hardware failures as you’ve listed above with Apple computers. “
Funny story, the models I had for MacBook Pros:
The late 2006, killed it by using it too much.
The 2006 Mac Pro GPU – recall.
The 2009 Mac Pro GPU – fried, AppleCare took care of it.
The 2011 Thunderbolt model MBP, recall still in effect.
Then I bought the 2012 Retina, you guessed it, recall. This one is still my current portable machine.
I’ve only paid $300 on the flat rate repair in total which was for the 2006 MBP so that’s pretty lucky.
[David Roth Weiss] “if you’ve been considering scaling Everest any time soon, you might want to reconsider.”
Not a chance in hell.
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I’m with you brother Darren, and I’m not going anywhere near a parachute or any open door on any aircraft in flight (unless it’s a camera copter).
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los AngelesDavid is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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[Bill Davis] “From their published recall limitations – (machines shipped during 3 specific months ONLY) seems to me that was a specific batch of cards in the life cycle of a product sold since Dec 2013.
Not a particularly strong case, IMO, for in arguing that the machine has “known problems.”
Seems to me they temporarily got a bad batch of parts – and recalled the problem machines to fix it.”
The melt downs vs the bad renders I think are separate problems. I remember a number of Resolve users reporting that if that they booted their nMPs into Windows and ran Resolve they didn’t get the same problem as if they were running Resolve under OS X. IMO this points to a driver/software/firmware issue on the OS X side.
[Darren Roark] “Every MacBook Pro I’ve had since 2006 the GPU has fried at least once. My two cheese graters both had the GPU die, the trashcan is the only one I haven’t been able to kill. I have been having freezing issues since installing Sierra however.
“GPU centric-problems seem to be common issues with Macs. Three of the five Mac’s I’ve owned over the last decade have had GPU related problems.
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