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Nesting is definitely broken….as is this whole program
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You missed the point. As John McCain said, “its not about them, its about us.” If you don’t understand what that means I’ll explain it to you.
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Hey,
Walter is only telling it like it is.
Explore first then decide which tool works best for you.
And what the heck it only cost under $1000 bucks so what did you expect.
I did not say that last line as that is what the reps at Apple always tell me at NAB when I bitch and moan to them.Tony Salgado
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I agree. I happen to love FCP, and from my fairly limited experience (I’ve only been doing broadcast editing for 2 years) FCP does everything I need it to and more. I feel the best thing about FCP is it’s ability to have workarounds for just about anything. Maybe it doesn’t directly work the same way other NLE’s do, but I bet more often than not, there’s a workaround that will get you the same, if not better results.
That being said, I’m not a big fan of nesting either, but like I said, there are workarounds.
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[David Roth Weiss] “You missed the point. As John McCain said, “its not about them, its about us.” If you don’t understand what that means I’ll explain it to you.”
Ah John McCain, one of my favorites. I’d vote for the guy if he would just get all the way to final ballots.
Back to the actual issue of this thread on “broken” Nesting. This has everything to do with due diligence on the user’s part. The software is not performing a task the way the user wants the software to perform it. Therefore the software is broken and must be fixed.
Are there quirks in how Nests work in FCP? Yes. Is it broken, along with the entire program? No.
I’ve explained that the user must first understand how FCP manages media within the project from bin to viewer to timeline to understand better how to use Nests.
I also offered some alternatives to using Nests such as Duplicating Timelines and using Copy and Paste into a new timeline.
David, what suggestions do you have for Bob as I don’t see that you’ve offered any yet. Or would you rather continue to make comments about my posts instead?
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.comDirector, “The Rough Cut”
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow Posting “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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bogiesan
gawd if only i could……….of course if i was asked what to get to replace discreet edit in the first place, i would have said “lets try different things”
but instead my boss went and bought the product unbeknownst to me cuz he thought it was cool!man!
“I like video because its so fast!”
Bob Flood
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Used it once in an edit, found it was difficult and illogical. Haven’t used it again in the last 3 years. Copy sequence and cut and pasting works fine for me. I’ll only nest if it’s a single pass like adding a filter or ARC ing a finished sequence.
It is a limitation, you can work round it if you need to. Doesn’t suit everyone though.
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bret
thanx man, the problem is, thats waht i did, took my sub sequence. loaded into the viewer, cut it into new sequence
thats whats flaky
“I like video because its so fast!”
Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc. -
[Bob Flood] “thanx man, the problem is, thats waht i did, took my sub sequence. loaded into the viewer, cut it into new sequence
thats whats flaky”
That’s definitely what tripped you up. Once you brought it into the viewer and then moved it to a new sequence, FCP treated it like a new clip in the new sequence.
Definitely one of those media management things that is different about FCP. The Copy and Paste or Duplicate Timeline methods will probably work better for you and make more sense with your workflow.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.comDirector, “The Rough Cut”
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow Posting “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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walter
1. thanx for the clarification!
this is the first time i heard it said “the clip in the timline is not the clip in the bin” the book says different. the book sez the clip in the timeline is a subclip of the clip in the bin, therefore i assume the same would apply to sequences ie one sequence to rule them all, and i should do a copy or duplicate to make a “versioned sequence” that was independent of the one in the bini guess because if i recapture a clip in the bin it will show up in my timeline, i assumed that other propertys would carry over as well, like if i was to make a clip in the bin BW all the slaves of that clip would go BW (would they?) or the big whoop about dropping filters on the clips in the bin so you only have to do it once?
2, i am constantly refering to diane weylands book on FCP and there really is no explanation as to the fact that when you edit a sequence into another sequence, its different from the sequence you have in the bin, or in another timeline, or in yer moms drawers.
she goes on, as does larry jordan and ken stone, like you, to say nesting is the bomb and a very handy way of doing things,“The question right now is why did you choose FCP? You have so many choices out there for NLE’s yet you chose FCP. I’m sure you investigated and tested all your options out there so if you’re not happy with the way FCP works, there’s a lot of options out there for you.”
ahhhh were it ever thus
I had no choice. my boss thought that shooting on hdv and editing on fcp was really cool, so he went and bought the sony hdv cam, the deck, and an fcp system and said here have fun! never bothering to ask myself and the 2 directors who work here, who together have more experince than tv has been around, waht we should do to make our lives easier
and the system i used to use treated the subtimline like it was only one, i could cut and paste and record it anywhere i wanted to, but they were all “slaves” of the original, so when i changed a mix or an effect on my sub timeline, it changed it everywhere. i could also make a copy of that subtimline, and it would be independent of the original so it would not reflect the changes i made to the original. It had all the functionality, it was just a little more deliberate
thanx again!
btw, DRW is a good guy, and he has given me a lot of advice in the past, and he too is coming off discreet edit, so cut him some slack ok 🙂
“I like video because its so fast!”
Bob Flood
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Huh OK, I’m lost… 🙂
I had a problem when I nested all my sequences into the final sequence. I just inserted them from bin to timeline. Than, when I did some audio changes to some of sequences, nothing happened in the final sequence. If I understood you correctly, I should duplicate that sequences and than nested them to avoid this from happening?Meeroo
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