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Need a solution: 60i video look in 24p timeline
I’m working on a project that will be mostly be shot in DVCPRO HD 720p/24pn. There are several very important sequences in the project that are meant to look as if they were shot on a cheap consumer video camera. We would love to *actually* shoot these on a cheap camera, and not have to fake the bad video look.
Working in a 24p timeline, is there a way to bring 29.97/60i footage in and have it play nicely? I’ve been reading through past threads, but can’t seem to figure this out. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated– or other ideas for how to get the “video” look in a 24p project.
Thanks,
Dave
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Maybe shoot the “video” looking material SD with a consumer video camera? That should seal the deal.
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I think what you’re looking for is a way to have 60i play at 60 fields per second in a 24p timeline. That’s not going to happen, but you could output your 24p with 2:3:2:3 pulldown added and then recapture the result as 29.97i, leaving the pulldown intact. Then edit the “cheap” looking 29.97i into it. The completed 29.97i sequence will have the look of 24p during those segments and the look of 60i during those. Enhance the cheapness in the other ways mentioned. Output to tape or DVD is no problem. Output to web, deinterlaced, may defeat some of your plan.
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If you use Re:Visions FieldsKit to deinterlace to 60p than Twixtor to convert 60p to 24p you should get good results. You could use After Effects to do the same thing.
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[Dave LaRonde] “the motion seen at 24p is VERY different than at 29.97 interlaced. Fieldskit ain’t gonna be able to fix that. “
That’s right… which is why the next step is to use Twixtor to convert 60p to 24p. Giving Twixtor 60 frames to pick 24 from is far better than picking 24 from 30. Twixtor will also apply a small amount of Optical Flow tweening to correct the motion in the images. Again, AE will do this as well.
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The FieldsKit step does nothing to enhance motion – but it does excel in deinterlacing – so you will get a better progressive image for Twixtor to work on.
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Not that this helps: But have you seen the new Panasonic TV’s with that Super-Crisp-Motion-Plus-Something-Something.
Whatever it is doing to the picture, a 24p DVD will look exactly like it was shot on HD video. Like a soap opera.
It’s the most saddening thing I’ve ever seen….
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Thanks for all the replies. So, what i’m hearing is:
Shoot it on a cheap video camera. Use Re:Visions Field kit to Deinterlace to 60p, then use Twixtor to go from 60p to 24p, and edit from there in the 24p timeline. Is this right? Again, the idea is to have a series of “video” look sequences within a 24p program.
Or, Kevin- how would one use Nattress Film effects for this? I see that working to create a 24p film look from 60i video, but it doesn’t look like it goes the other way around.
Thanks again. Any other thoughts/ideas/approaches here would be most appreciated.
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So true, Dave. The other aspects are more powerful. Frame rate is really a pretty subtle thing compared to blatantly VISUAL cues.
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[Tom Brooks] “Frame rate is really a pretty subtle thing compared to blatantly VISUAL cues.”
Yes! I agree with that statement! Unfortunately 24p and “cinema quality” are so engrained it’s like people are brainwashed. Do people really think 24p is what makes the cinema experience? It’s wouldn’t be that any Hollywood movie has top directors, DPs, scripts, actors, locations, marketing, etc… In short $$$$$
My prediction: When digital projection takes over and movies don’t have to be displayed at 24p… directors and studios will shoot higher frame rates and marketing will bill it the same way flat panel manufacturers are 120 & 240hz today.
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