native RED editing

[Tom Daigon]

Change your right screen (Program Monitor) to 1/2 resolution. See if that helps.

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[Rick Van den berg]

doesn’t help, actually that makes it even worse. when i press play i only hear the audio track and only when i stop it it updates the video. but thats only with red rocket activated, when i disable it, it works ”properly” again. but only choppy.. pretty weird

[Angelo Lorenzo]

A few things:

1) Make sure your RED importer plugin is up to date https://labs.adobe.com/technologies/redepic_importer/

2) Make sure your Red Rocket drivers and firmware are up to date

3) Make sure your Red Rocket is actually active. With a RED clip loaded in your bin, right click and select “source settings” scroll down and look at the settings. If the Rocket icon is lit in Redcine X (assuming you have it open at the same time) then Redcine X has reserved the card and Premiere isn’t using it. Only one program can use a rocket card at one time.

Curious, what is your hard drive setup?

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[Rick Van den berg]

Im sure the red importer plugin / rocket firmware are up to date and no other app is using it.
i did everything from an external hard disk via a firewire 800 cable.
i copied a single clip to my desktop just to try out the difference, but nothing noticeable happened. frustrating..

no chance it’s because of ati instead of nvidia? i know my gfx card is an issue @ davinci resolve.

[Angelo Lorenzo]

Well the Adobe Mercury Playback Engine can work in three modes: CPU, CUDA, and OpenCL. Now your ATI/AMD card isn’t officially supported but many GPUs can be added to a text file with in Premiere Pro’s program files to trigger Premiere to utilize them but this may not the best solution. Have you done this modification?

Are you playing the RED files in a native sized timeline (2k, 4k) or are you scaling them down in a program sized timeline like 1080 or 720. The scaling can add additional CPU overhead… which shouldn’t be an issue with your dual CPU setup but I still have to mention it.

How is playback in Redcine-X? Smooth?

What does your process manager look like in terms of CPU/RAM usage when you play the file in Redcine-X vs. Premiere?

I have a Red Rocket in my PC setup and I get smooth playback in every application that supports it at full quality.

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[Angelo Lorenzo]

In Premiere, another thing to look at is do you have your reference monitor up at the same time as your program monitor? The reference monitor is usually a clone of the program monitor that many people switch to viewing the video scopes with. If it’s ganged to playback with the Program Monitor it can degrade performance like playback and timeline scrubbing.

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[Chris Borjis]

[Rick van den Berg] “i did everything from an external hard disk via a firewire 800 cable.
i copied a single clip to my desktop just to try out the difference, but nothing noticeable happened. frustrating..”

for Red editing you really should have some sort of RAID if smooth playback is expected.

[Angelo Lorenzo]

I beg to differ, in certain cases. At a single stream of video, 4K performance off firewire is fine for the most part, internal single drives are more than usable. For multicam or any types of stacked editing I would look at RAID.

I don’t think the hard drive is the bottleneck for stutter on a single clip.

USB2 I would have worried.

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[Chris Borjis]

I can’t take chances like that at my shop.

[Eric Sanders]

I have found that FW800 drives can have the issue of the controller resetting a bunch – as a test, if you work with say one of your clips on an internal drive rather than your FW800, does it change the behavior?

-EricS