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My thoughts on the next Premiere Pro after seeing it
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Why wouldn’t you just delete the clip? Or video portion of the clip? Still seems bizarre. Apparently you couldn’t do it in CS6 is the only reason I mentioned it. They demo it on retooled as a new feature. In 20 years of NLE editing, Avid included for a few, I’ve never desired a clip to be trimmed into nothing. But doesn’t bother me that the function exists. Good for it.
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[Bret Williams] “Why wouldn’t you just delete the clip? Or video portion of the clip? Still seems bizarre.”
A trim tool that requires me to manually delete clips to clear space before using it doesn’t sound very useful to me.
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[Bret Williams] “Why wouldn’t you just delete the clip? Or video portion of the clip? Still seems bizarre. Apparently you couldn’t do it in CS6 is the only reason I mentioned it. They demo it on retooled as a new feature. In 20 years of NLE editing, Avid included for a few, I’ve never desired a clip to be trimmed into nothing. But doesn’t bother me that the function exists. Good for it.”
Because you happen to be trimming at the moment, using the keyboard, and it is the fastest way to do it, especially if you are trimming with JKL. Your particular process doesn’t work that way, so you’ve never noticed a reason for it. When I’m cutting on Avid, I probably end up trimming a clip out at least several times a week.
Here’s an example: I’m trimming an insert shot and it isn’t feeling quite right. I’m dynamic trimming the out point, and I wonder do I really need this insert. I hold the J key a beat or two longer and the shot is gone. Yes, I could have deleted the clip, but in that particular instance it was faster and less jarring to my process not to. I don’t have to take my hands off where they are on the keyboard, I’m still in trim mode, etc.
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[Jok Daniel] “[Bret Williams] “Why wouldn’t you just delete the clip? Or video portion of the clip? Still seems bizarre.”
A trim tool that requires me to manually delete clips to clear space before using it doesn’t sound very useful to me.
“I agree, but when you are mostly mouse driving, that particular move is fairly swift. The sweet spot for trimming in Legacy was/is quite different than in MC. For me, trimming in Legacy was at its best when using a mouse or trackpad. That, I think, is where the disconnect is.
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Doesn’t work for me. Trim tool or not. Or in precision editor. Leaves one frame.
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Can you add back frames after you’ve trimmed to zero?
Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Camcorders: Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV30/40, Sony Z7U, VX2000, PD170; FCP 6 certified; write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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[Craig Alan] “Can you add back frames after you’ve trimmed to zero?”
No. Cmd Z to fix. I see I also failed to mention that when dynamic trimming, you need to nudge the trim key for the last frame.
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It would be cool to be able to go back in the other direction. Trim to no frames, play around play head, add back a second of frames, play around play head. But yeah command z will undo the trim. But delete will delete the entire clip and I thought the logic here was extending the trim function from zero to end of clip’s media.
Personally I like Apple’s decision to have three ways of doing many operations. It helps prevent fatigue and carpal tunnel syndrome.
Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Camcorders: Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV30/40, Sony Z7U, VX2000, PD170; FCP 6 certified; write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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[Craig Alan] “It would be cool to be able to go back in the other direction. Trim to no frames, play around play head, add back a second of frames, play around play head.”
Depends. I personally prefer that you are now trimming the new cut. But we are getting beyond granular in focus, here; aren’t we?
[Craig Alan] “But delete will delete the entire clip and I thought the logic here was extending the trim function from zero to end of clip’s media.”
No. The point is that you don’t have to leave trimming mode. But, hey, if it suits you delete it instead.
[Craig Alan] “Personally I like Apple’s decision to have three ways of doing many operations. It helps prevent fatigue and carpal tunnel syndrome.”
Yes, that’s nice. But why do you think that’s “Apple’s way.” If anything, X offers much less choice than it has in the past. And both Premiere and Media Composer offer many different approaches to any particular operation. As far as trimming variations go, MC is probably the current winner. Premiere Next might take that; we’ll have to see.
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[Chris Harlan] “Yes, that’s nice. But why do you think that’s “Apple’s way.” If anything, X offers much less choice than it has in the past. And both Premiere and Media Composer offer many different approaches to any particular operation. As far as trimming variations go, MC is probably the current winner. Premiere Next might take that; we’ll have to see.”
I get you. You’re in trim mode. I tend to work on a section of the time line rather than a function. I’m not very fluent.
Very true about Apple and X. I was really thinking of FCP legacy. And I think this was the Apple way and others borrowed from it. And you are correct – Apple is moving more towards less choices in their design and interface.
The Apple certification exam for FCP 6/7 for example (which has little to do with the professional world) often asks the three ways you can apply a blah blah blah.
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