My only guess is that Panasonic is counting on the cost of memory dropping drastically very soon?

[Todd Roush]

I know there is a “rule of thumb” about how quickly memory drops in price….100% per year-ish or something?

S.

Win 2k, Premiere, Canopus DV Storm SE

[Graeme Nattress]

I remember paying

[Jan Crittenden livingston]

Hey Superfly,

When your Sony friends are having to continually feed their cameras tape and have to deal with massive compression atrifacts and compressed audio and dropouts and less color resolution, you can just smile knowing that you have made none of these compromises.

Memory prices do fall by 50% per year. The 2GB card is at $900, when it was introduced it was $2000. By this fall it will be around $600 or so. Keep in mind that today many of what were DAT type recorders record on Flash Memory now. Digital Audio started before Digital Video. And we can just look at how technology advances through the industry, memory recording is on its way, and will be the standard in years to come.

On the HDV forefront, I don’t see it in the professional line and H-264 looks vastly more promising than HDV. So who knows for sure exactly what the future will bring, but memory recording is happening, and will be the future.

In the meantime you can shoot in DV until you have found clients that are wanting the HD quality.

Best regards,

Jan

Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems

[Todd Roush]

I don’t forsee a need for HDV for at least a couple of years. Right now I just need a good Panny Like my DVX-100 with native 16:9 and a good audio section.

HD would be a bonus just like 24p was when I got the DVX100.

Pretty exciting stuff actually.

Everybody thought DVX100 could be a bust and we’re just killing the local live switchable vans with their old $100,000 setups… The DVX just kills em!

Thanks again.

S.

Win 2k, Premiere, Canopus DV Storm SE

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[Superfly] “Everybody thought DVX100 could be a bust and we’re just killing the local live switchable vans with their old $100,000 setups… The DVX just kills em!”

How is it so??
If you have decent budgets where clients require decent picture,especially when You shoot concerts with difficult lighting.
You just can not compare picture from ENG 2/3′ cameras with broadcast lenses and processing to your “toys”.
Only if there is NO budget…well…I better stop now.
I would love to see You “killing” my quality of work done by our cameramen on our equipment by your DVX…
Sorry mate,but there is nothing to compare when it comes to quality….on the other hand when it comes to cost,I am sure You will win.
But is it really step forward??
regards-jiri vrozina

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Jan,You are 100% right.
jiri vrozina

[Barry Green]

[Jan Crittenden Livingston] ” Keep in mind that today many of what were DAT type recorders record on Flash Memory now. Digital Audio started before Digital Video. And we can just look at how technology advances through the industry, memory recording is on its way, and will be the standard in years to come.”

Actually, that hasn’t just happened to DAT — it happens to all recording technologies. Looking back through the years, it seems like all recording technologies follow the same path: first it’s tape, then disc, then solid state. Tape always gets ditched and replaced, either by disc or solid state. Solid state replaces discs, but discs don’t replace solid state, and tape never replaces either. It’s always tape first, then disc, then solid state, although in some cases disc gets skipped and they go straight to solid state.

Computers: we used to load programs off of cassette tapes. Tape was obsoleted by disk drives, then hard disks, then optical disks. Solid State is now becoming more common — JumpDrives, etc.

Audio: first there was reel-to-reel, which was obsoleted by LP records (a form of disc). Then there was cassette tape, which was completely obsoleted by disc technologies: CD, minidisc, hard disk (in the iPod). And solid-state is hard at work in MP3 players too.

Professional audio: First there was Nagra tape, then DAT tape. Now both are basically obsolete, replaced (once again) by disk and solid state.

Home answering machines: started out tape, tape is now obsolete, most current models are solid-state.

Voice memo recorders: started out tape (Dictaphone, etc) — obsolete, replaced with solid state.

Home video: started out with tape (as always, tape is always the first generation). VHS tape is now basically obsolete (as always; tape always gets made obsolete), having been replaced almost entirely by discs — DVD for rental, hard-disk PVR or DVD-recorders for recording. Some stores aren’t even carrying movies on VHS tapes for rental or sale anymore.

Camcorders and pro video: tape was first, as always. But tape is under a severe onslaught from discs (FireStore, XDCAM, even EditCam and DVD-recording cameras) and solid state (P2, JVC’s little SD memory-card camera lineup). And for HD delivery, tape is already obsolete — high-def tape isn’t even an option to consider for distribution. Nobody’s going to distribute on HDV tape or D-VHS, they’ll use blu-ray or HD-DVD disc right at the outset. Disc will replace tape as a distribution medium before tape even has a chance to try.

The handwriting is all over that wall: tape is dead. It may not know it, it may go around chanting “I’m not dead yet; I don’t want to go on the cart,” etc., but tape’s days are over. Solid state and disc offer just too many advantages. History repeats, and it will repeat again, and we who shoot video for a living will cheer the day.

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[Simon Wyndham]

Until all cameras are solid state, and until all video operations are solid state, tape will never be dead. It will only be dead when it is dead.

It will take years and years before tape finally dissappears.

[Drew]

And I thought the Film vs HD argument was bad. Now it’s tape vs the solid state [great band name], that’s just really rough. I see every format as another “stock.” Every tool has it’s place. I saw on the Panasonic website that [may be I just dreamed it] you can get the 200 plus two 8 gig cards for just around 10k. Not cheap, but not so bad either…course how do you get it into the computer i’m sure is another cost.

My only potential problem with P2 is all the additional cost, but hey it’s not my money.

Mal: If anyone gets nosy, just, you know… shoot ’em.

Zoe: Shoot ’em?

Mal: Politely

[Toke]

[Superfly] “It did strike me today that it is cheaper now to store data on a $99 250 gig hard drive then to store it on MINI DV TAPE.”

Acquisition might be hdd/solod state, but not archiving.
After a decade one out of hundred tapes might gone bad, but ten hard drives out of hundred might not start.
So the real question is on what media to archive: AIT-tape, LTO-tape, TAPE, tape …