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  • Missing Project / Missing ALE — HELP!

    Posted by Lola Popovac on April 15, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Hi!
    I have a bizarre new job as an assistant editor rebuilding a foreign film project from scratch as they lost the project/some materials… so they can re-edit and then re-cut the negative. (What ever pays the bills, right?) Point being: no former assistant, no telecine house contact, and no post sup — the editor doesn’t want any part of the technical stuff… when will a girl catch a break? Anyways…

    It’s basically just me, you and the internet to figure this stuff out. So any help is greatly appreciated! Much love to Creative COW!!! I’m learning here all the time.Thanks in advance.

    Specs: Avid MC 4.0.5 on a Mac
    Project: 24P PAL at 100% Film Rate (We think it’s 35mm 3 perf)
    Dailies: Beta SP PAL 25fps with Keycode/TC window burn (about 35 hours total)
    Sound: DAT 24fps/48k digitized at 25 fps setting on deck (syncing by ear)
    Finishing? Um… they hope to re-cut the negative.

    Questions:

    Problem: They “lost” the Avid project. (don’t ask.) I do have an OMF and consolidated media of the final Sequence, but no bins. Of course, the new editor wants all the dailies digitized… to look for alternate performances.

    Question 1) True or False: After syncing all dailies… (with ALEs or otherwise, see below) I will then have to re-create the link between dailies bins and sequence by manually over-cutting over this OMF sequence.

    Problem: About half of the original ALE files for the dailies were lost, too.

    Question 2) Can I just digitize the betas that are missing ALEs? I tried a clip… the KN number and TC info is there… so it seems reasonable… Or am I losing some “hidden” metadata? Are there specific columns that MUST have info? I mean, do I have to somehow make ALE files? If so, is there a way to make ALE files? What are my options here? I want to give the negative cutter what I can… within reason. Or… alternatively… will it be ok that there are massive “holes” in the cut list? as long as there is window burn on the dailies/beta footage?

    Question 3) Any special tips on things to look out for when creating film lists in a 24P PAL project? I mean, I don’t know much about 2:2 pulldown…

    Ok… that’s it for now… I’ll be over here syncing these DATS by ear… without sound reports… without understanding what take/scene they’re saying… without a lined script.

    Meanwhile any feed back is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.

    Hans Sieber replied 16 years ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Hans Sieber

    April 15, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Hi Lola,
    sorry to say but your job seems quite a mess. I don`t have answers to all your questions but I hope I do can help you with some of them.
    First of all if I get you right you got the OMF Sequence of the final cut with its media files. So you have the last version of the cut online on your machine? To your first question. Your OMf Sequence references to your consolidated media files not the original captured dailies. So at first there is no link to the once, now lost, captured clips. Were the dailies captured in large clips and then subcliped for syncing? So if your editor wants all the dailies online you`ll have to capture and sync them all over again. You could then try to put your omf consolidate files to another folder avid does not see (put an x to the Media files folder) and then try a relink to a captured daily that was used in the cut. If that works (relinking is not very reliable) you could recapture all dailies by hand and relink them to the cut.
    Once your editor has assembled the “final cut” of the movie you can create a new EDL of the cut which should be fine with the neg cutter. I don`t think you need to export a new ALE. There should be no black holes in your EDL.
    For your final question I`m not sure as I`ve not done a lot of 24p projects. Normally your avid adjusts the speed of your sound files to the 24p format. Your dailies should be 25P as they come from a Beta tape. As far as I know in the end the “conversion” from 25 to 24 frames is simply done by ramping the material by 4%. Not like in NTSC land where you have to use the 3:2 pulldown.

    Hope I could be of some minor help. Let us hear if you succeded with the relinking. Good luck!!

    Hans

  • Lola Popovac

    April 19, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Thank you for your response! Much appreciated.

    Update:
    For the camera rolls that had the original ALE files– I did end up re-syncing the dailies… making new bins/subclips and then YES, it they did relink to the consolidated Sequence. You’re right, relinking worked. And you don’t have to “hide” the old consolidated media with an “x” if you highlight the desired new media/ old sequence in the bin. Or say, “only link to current project.” (I had to keep some the OMF media online/”un-hiden” for audio/stock footage reasons.)

    As for the camera rolls that did not have ALE files… then I did the same, but have to make sure the tape name is created exactly like the tape names were created for the original OMF media. (Have to “show reference clips” in the bin settings to find the exact tape name.)

    The problem still remains that these non-ALE rolls are lacking KN info. I can play though the tapes, find where the rolls stop and start (with great difficulty), log them as master clips, and then digitize, and then manually type in the KN info based on the window burn for each master clip… but as there are hundreds of rolls… this is time prohibitive… I just feel like there has to be a better way.

    Like, at least, it’d be nice to digitize in the whole tape, and then sub-clip into the rolls… but unfortunately the Avid doesn’t let you modify the key code on a sub-clip. So I’m still searching. Maybe there is a way to export my “subclip bin” as an ALE and it back in as “master clip” bin or something?

    Thank you for your help. _L

  • Hans Sieber

    April 22, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Hi Lola,
    sorry it took me so long to answer. Been stuck in a rather heavy project right now. As mentioned in my earlier post I`m not that experienced in film projects but maybe I have a if not perfect but viable solution for your problem. If you capture a whole tape and then do the subclips you could try to export an ALE of these clips and then edit the ALE in a text editor with the correct KN numbers. Don`t know if that helps…
    Sorry I that I can`t offer you a more elegant solution.
    Hope you get that project done without loosing your mind…

    Hans

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