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Michael Cioni + frame io
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[Tom Sefton] “We’ve found a few inconsistencies in frame.io with uploads too. Non standard frame sizes can crash the upload process from inside FCPX, and delivering 5.1 sound has been glitchy. “
Thanks for the input Tom. I haven’t had any crashes with the app but also haven’t used any non standard frame sizes.
I will be on the lookout for that though.I hope you shared these findings with the team at Frame?
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[Tony West] “I don’t think that’s the problem because in other tests that I have done where the talent mic is set to duel mono and the music and effects are stereo, the stereo tracks don’t come through in Frame either if the project clip is exported as multi separate clips.”
My gut feeling is that the problem boils down to the settings in Frame Share Destination. Seems like it needs an audio pass-through option in the H264 destination. Have you tried the Frame Source preset? If so, do you get the same results?
[Tony West] “One thing that might be helpful is if you post the Frame link to the test file you are talking about.”
I’ll try to get to that later today. I’d rather do that offlist. Where can I send it?
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[Oliver Peters] “I think that’s more marketing than anything else. Depends on whether you mean for workflow or simply review & approval and/or delivery.”
I’ve had great success on two features with frame.io.
Mind you I didn’t sleep well during those two but heck I promised to get them dailies by next morning.
To me, it’s just easier to use when you need a client to review.
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An added thought on your workflow Tony…
If your producer is using the file to review interviews I would suggest you actually upload that file to an AI transcription site like Temi (https://www.temi.com/). The benefit is that your producer can watch/listen to the interview and highlight selects in the text.
Once your producer makes his or her selects your editor can go through those selects on the Temi website and quickly string out an a-roll in whichever NLE.
Ideally, an AI transcription site would have the ability to export an xml of the selects that could be imported into an NLE. Phillip Hodgett’s Lumberjack builder program has this capability for FCPX but the program is still in it’s infancy in Premiere.
Hopefully, Frame.io will eventually add full AI transcription capabilities as well as xml export of selects.
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[greg janza] “I would recommend that you abandon QT7 completely. To check the accuracy of a split track file import it into an NLE.
And for file playback use this instead: https://iina.io/“
It has some nice features but it can’t read files shared out of X as multitrack QT movies.
This is how I know you are not using the same file if you recommended this product. It will only play one track out of the 6 unless it’s a mixed down QT file.
Also I can’t see where you can turn off selected tracks inside like QT 7 can so that’s a no go, but thanks anyway.
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[Tony West] “This is how I know you are not using the same file if you recommended this product. It will only play one track out of the 6 unless it’s a mixed down QT file.”
I recommended the iina player because it’s a versatile color accurate player. It’s not a replacement for a NLE.
Maybe it’s just me but I still don’t get why you would need split track playback in a basic player since all editing will occur in your NLE and only your editor would be the one determining which tracks to use.
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[greg janza] “I recommended the iina player because it’s a versatile color accurate player. It’s not a replacement for a NLE.”
Yeah, it’s good for color but it can’t play the sound of the files I’m talking about so it’s useless.
[greg janza] “Maybe it’s just me “ Yes! it is : )
[greg janza] ” I still don’t get why you would need split track playback in a basic player since all editing will occur in your NLE and only your editor would be the one determining which tracks to use.”
Because I could turn off certain tracks without even opening an NLE if I wanted to. The technology was already there for editors. I didn’t invent it. You’re OK with losing it because you can’t figure out a way to use it in your own personal workflow so you think it’s not necessary for anyone else’s workflow.
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[Tony West] “You’re OK with losing it because you can’t figure out a way to use it in your own personal workflow so you think it’s not necessary for anyone else’s workflow.”
My confusion stems not from a lack of being able to make use of split track audio in a player. I don’t use any player for audio editing – only a NLE.
And the standard workflow for a producer or writer to review interviews is for an editor to either create a transcript or post up the interviews to a site like Frame.io. Neither of these options would necessitate split track audio. That’s why I’m asking about your workflow.
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There are two good media player options, since QT7 Pro is a dead product. For good QC there’s Telestream Switch, which is a paid app. You have to get the Plus or Pro options to turned on advanced features like captioning, multichannel audio, and removing watermarks on some codecs. Another is Blackmagic Media Express. It’s free, but it runs through BMD i/o hardware when present.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[greg janza] “My confusion stems not from a lack of being able to make use of split track audio in a player. I don’t use any player for audio editing – only a NLE.
“I think your main confusion is not understanding how to create the file I’m taking about in X.
[greg janza] “And the standard workflow for a producer or writer to review interviews is for an editor to either create a transcript or post up the interviews to a site like Frame.io. Neither of these options would necessitate split track audio. That’s why I’m asking about your workflow.”
I explained the workflow and you still didn’t understand it. It just seems beyond your scope.
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