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Michael Cioni + frame io
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[Michael Hancock] “I believe Tony is saying that if you watch it on Frame.io you won’t hear all 6 channels, or at least not discretely. It will be a stereo mix, or it just completely dumps some of the channels.
Is that correct Tony?”
Yes!!! That is correct Michael.
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[Oliver Peters] “[Tony West] “One thing that might be helpful is if you post the Frame link to the test file you are talking about.”
I’ll try to get to that later today. I’d rather do that offlist. Where can I send it?”
Tony, I have those files if you want to take a look. Send an e-mail or ping me through the website.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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“I believe Tony is saying that if you watch it on Frame.io you won’t hear all 6 channels, or at least not discretely. It will be a stereo mix, or it just completely dumps some of the channels.
Is that correct Tony?”
Yes!!! That is correct Michael.
Yes, that’s easy to understand. The question that never seems to be answered here is why would your producer want/need to have access to 6 channels of discrete interview sound for content review inside of Frame.io?
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[greg janza] “Yes, that’s easy to understand. “
You don’t really understand it because you don’t know how to make the file.
[greg janza] “The question that never seems to be answered here is why would your producer want/need to have access to 6 channels of discrete interview sound for content review inside of Frame.io?”
For the second time, I want one file that the producer can just watch and the editor can have access to all the tracks.
ONE file for both.
Frame IO did not ask me why I needed that because they are knowledgeable enough to know why. They are in the process of likely making it happen for editors in the know.
The questions really is…………..Since Frame gets it, did it ever occur to you that YOU may be the one that needs to catch up?
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[Tony West] “ONE file for both.”
For anyone following this very convoluted thread, if you use Premiere to export a split track pro res file and then upload that file to Frame.io for both a producer to watch and an editor to download, there is no issue at all.
The only issue is potentially with the FCP X h.264 multitrack share function and how it gets treated when uploaded to Frame.io.
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[greg janza] “For anyone following this very convoluted thread, if you use Premiere to export a split track pro res file and then upload that file to Frame.io…”
This also works in FCPX if you export a Multitrack Quicktime and upload through the web portal, or if you upload a camera clip as is through the extension (drag and drop, not Share). Anytime encoding is involved, you must manually control how the encoding application deals with the audio track configuration. No real surprise there.
In my testing, I think part of the issue is the FrameIO Share Destination presets – H264 and Source. Both presets seem to only upload stereo or mono clips. Multiple stereo channels are muxed to one stereo track on the encoded file. Multiple discrete mono channels are muxed to a single mono track. The Source preset is completely wrong as it is NOT set to a “same as source” export. It would seem to me that fixing these two presets could be done very quickly if Frame addressed it.
The second issue is Frame’s media player. Since the player is a standard media player like any basic web player, I don’t see any way that it will allow discrete monitoring or selective monitoring of multichannel content. It’s either going to be mono or stereo. I don’t see that changing anytime soon, as it would likely require an entirely new media player across all platforms that can access Frame (web, extensions, iOS, etc).
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[greg janza] “For anyone following this very convoluted thread”
It’s “convoluted” because you don’t understand how to create the file I’m talking about and rather than admit it, you are trying to prove that a workflow that you have no understanding of is not useful.
I knew you were lost when you suggested the IINA player which is incapable of playing that type of file and you would have known that if you had experience with this workflow.[greg janza] “if you use Premiere”
Irreverent in a thread about X, I don’t use Premiere, and I’m not sure you are right because you have yet to prove you know the file type.
[greg janza] “The only issue is potentially with the FCP X h.264 multitrack share function and how it gets treated when uploaded to Frame.io.”
Only partly right, it doesn’t have to be h.264 can also be a ProRes multitrack share but it at least you are starting to learn a bit.
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[Oliver Peters] “The fundamental disconnect is “
That you and Greg had no experience doing what I was writing about and tried to offer incorrect information based on your lack of knowledge and experience with it.
[Oliver Peters] “I see no way that the Frame player interface itself will ever properly provide discrete audio playback of multiple channel, 2, 4, 8, whatever, without either mixing or not playing some of the tracks.”
But I don’t really need you to see it, because………………I already spoke with them and they are on it.
You and Greg have been doing more flacking for the company that neither of you work for then they are.
To their credit they could have said “Nobody wants that Tony and we are not going to waste time and money on it.”
They said the opposite of that.
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We did. Nothing really happened after that, as we were under a tight deadline and as it had failed I had to switch to using Google Drive to deliver the files.
It was a 3840 x 1080 file with surround sound where the L, R, C and Lfe were in one language, and then 2 other languages were hard mixed to the rear L and rear R that was 1h20 long. It encoded from R3D 6K and went out to h264 frame.io as an overnight export. Next morning, it had failed during the upload process. Team couldn’t figure out why and even though we showed it happening again I’ve not had any feedback. Was faster to run out a ProRes master, then use compressor to spin out a h264 and HEVC file with same audio routing and upload to another service.
Frame.io is still a big part of our production pipeline, but really only for standard corporate work with HD or 4K frame size.
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Transcription within FCPX – like Simon Says?
You could easily do this and provide a separate .srt file to a producer along with a proxy for review
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http://www.pollenstudio.co.uk
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