Miaow…

[Herb Sevush]

[Charlie Austin] “If you want to slip it, yes. But if you want to slip it, it was either out of sync to begin with, or you’re detaching it to cheat some dialog or something thus knocking it of sync on purpose right? Otherwise, there’s no reason to ever detach it.”

Yes and no. I slip out of sync on purpose, but then I often need to slip back into sync. I change my mind a lot as I edit. Most of my audio starts as sync, but then 20-40% becomes cheated, and this is extremely fluid as I refine what I’m doing. Sync becomes cheat becomes sync becomes cheat as I’m slipping audio or video constantly. The idea of doing this without sync markers in a multicam setting where the whole concept of sync is more fluid to begin with is terrifying. I’m sure there are many valid workflows within X that can handle this, but I will say to an outsider it sounds like jumping out a plane without a chute.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Charlie Austin]

[TImothy Auld] “I do a lot of compressing statements (or creating statements with spare parts) via audio editing, but it is particularly important to me that the relationship between the video and the audio of a given clip is always maintained.”

I spend a lot of time creating “FrankenDialog” as well. I prefer doing this in X, especially since I can take all the little bits I’ve hacked together and reattach them to the video in a compound clip so they never lose their (new) sync.

[TImothy Auld] “I am not saying that FCP X cannot accomplish virtually any editorial task in some way. I’m just saying that I can accomplish what I need to faster and more efficiently with other NLE’s at present. “

Makes perfect sense. Ultimately if you (or anyone) is more comfortable working in a particular NLE than that’s what you should use. All I’m saying is that doing this sort of thing in X is really easy and doesn’t require workarounds or anything. It’s not accomplished “in some way”, it’s by design. Sync is maintained unless you specifically choose to “unsync”. And even if you do, it’s trivial to lock it back together.

Which brings me back to the point about sync markers. I don’t miss them, because my sync audio (dia.fx, whatever) is never detached from the video. If the pics move the audio does too, I don’t give it a second thought. Now, I might have piles of sfx and cut music under any given shot sequence so it’s not like I don’t have to pay attention to sync of these connected (detached) audio when you move bits around, of course I do. Just like any other NLE. I’m really not trying to evangelize here, it’s just not as big a deal as some seem to believe. 🙂

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[John Godwin]

I haven’t tried this in multicam, but on a regular timeline you just select the clip (the video in my use) you want to resync, Reveal in Browser, then drag that clip down over the clip you want to resync to, and drop it on the clip. Then select Replace from Start and the clip and audio are there. Only takes a couple of seconds.

Best,
John

[Charlie Austin]

[Jeremy Garchow] “All I’m saying, it’d be great to slip components in the timeline without all the extra work. “

Absolutely agree. Hopefully they’ll add this ability…

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[Charlie Austin]

[Herb Sevush] “The idea of doing this without sync markers in a multicam setting where the whole concept of sync is more fluid to begin with is terrifying.”

Makes sense, for this type of work some sort of sync indicator would be useful. You could just add a common marker before you knock something out of sync, but I get your point.

[Herb Sevush] “I’m sure there are many valid workflows within X that can handle this, but I will say to an outsider it sounds like jumping out a plane without a chute.”

lol I hear ya. And I’m not saying that X is the NLE for your workflow, it may not be But I’ve had the same feeling… for me it’s been like jumping without a chute and then, despite being prepared to slam to earth, feeling like I can fly. 😉 Now, sometimes I’m wrong and I do slam to earth, but never too hard. So I keep jumping. 🙂

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[Charlie Austin]

[John Godwin] “Reveal in Browser, then drag that clip down over the clip you want to resync to, and drop it on the clip. Then select Replace from Start and the clip and audio are there. Only takes a couple of seconds.”

I dunno how it’d work in multi cam either but yeah, If I need to do this I’ll select the clip and do the same thing with the KB. Shift-F, OPTION-R. less than a second. 🙂

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[Charlie Austin] “I dunno how it’d work in multi cam either but yeah, If I need to do this I’ll select the clip and do the same thing with the KB. Shift-F, OPTION-R. less than a second. :-)”

It’s is very easy, but don’t forget to copy all of your effects/transforms first to paste later, and be prepared to redo any split edits and levels.

[Franz Bieberkopf]

[Charlie Austin] “No matter how “smart” the tracks or patching is, it ain’t smarter than “put it wherever the hell you want”.”

Charlie,

It was a real relief when I switched to FCP in 2001 and could work without patching tracks. Having worked without patching tracks for well over 10 years, I do wonder why people hang onto that particular method of working.

But to each his or her own.

Sometimes it takes switching software to challenge old methods.

Franz.

[Gustavo Bermudas]

[Steve Connor] “Perhaps if you stopped first everyone else would follow?”

Or maybe you should stop bullying those who disagree with X and want to express their opinions. Go to the X Techniques forum instead if you’re set with it.

[Charlie Austin]

[Gustavo Bermudas] “[Steve Connor] “Perhaps if you stopped first everyone else would follow?”

Or maybe you should stop bullying those who disagree with X and want to express their opinions. Go to the X Techniques forum instead if you’re set with it.”

Miaow! lol

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