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Miaow…
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[Shawn Miller] “No… you can move, edit and trim audio on the timeline (down to the sample level) in Premiere and Vegas. Unless I’m mistaken, Premiere has been able to do this since CS4… though, I could be misremembering that too. :-)”
No, I just messed with it, you’re right. You have to switch the timeline view to Audio time units. Also, waveforms don’t move with the clip until you release it if you’re dragging it, which kinda sucks… But I stand corrected. Not as fluid as X, but it’s do-able…
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[Charlie Austin] “I do too. And I find editing/cheating dialog in X to be an absolute dream. You do need to do a little organization to prevent the syllable you just chopped off from jumping around, but it’s not a big deal. Other than that it beats the pants off any NLE I’ve used. The ability to adjust clips in sample increments is more like a DAW. FWIW”
It’s not the acutely cutting and moving. That part if good in X, it’s more the UI. The audio clips are smaller than the video clips and if you make the clips bigger, then the video clips are huge. The keyframes (while better in 10.1.1) are too sensitive
Not being able to attach audio to a connected clip sometimes causes a few headaches. Not being allowed to keep the audio stacking order straight is sometimes a concern.
Audio organization needs the most work.
So it’s not the physical process of the editing, it’s more of the UI, which does need some work
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Also, not being able to slip audio separate from video is a pain, especially if that clip is a connected clip.
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[Charlie Austin] “Also, waveforms don’t move with the clip until you release it if you’re dragging it, which kinda sucks…”
Yes, that would be helpful. It’s odd that Premiere doesn’t do this, considering that Audition does.
Shawn
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Didn’t mean to dis FCPx… I’d quite like someone to pay me to edit on it so I can learn it properly… No sign of that (in London) yet though.
Patrice is right that HBS (who were all FCP7 in 2010) might well go on a different tangent next time… (all the big networks in the iBC will be on Avid, again)
My main point was that these tournaments are great R&D for manufacturers.
(Listening & paying attention is key though.)
BBC, ITV & Sky (if anyone cares) are largely Avid in their main broadcast centres – with hefty investments in Interplay/Isis that is likely to keep them that way.
22-26 year olds can edit with what they like – but currently they’ll need to know Avid if they want to earn much of a living working directly for broadcasters in the UK. Or LA or NY or CT for that matter.
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Glad it works for you. But believe me I have tried very hard to do what I do and it just doesn’t work for me. Too many workarounds. Given the price point I would love it to work for me but it just doesn’t. There’s that and the fact that every other week I read in one forum or another about a problem that is an absolute deal breaker. Such as not being able to slip the audio from the video in the cut.
Tim
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[TImothy Auld] “Such as not being able to slip the audio from the video in the cut.”
You can, you just have to detach it first (or place another copy of the video on top with a few keystrokes).
Just think, it’s make up time for not having to patch anything when adding it to the timeline.
It’s the yang to the yin.
Jeremy
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[TImothy Auld] “Glad it works for you. But believe me I have tried very hard to do what I do and it just doesn’t work for me. Too many workarounds. Given the price point I would love it to work for me but it just doesn’t.”
X is not without it’s uh… foibles… and of course everyone works differently, but for me, editing audio is one of the things I like most about X. I’m curious as to the kind of stuff you find not working for you. Not in a “you’re wrong” way, I’m genuinely curious..
[TImothy Auld] “There’s that and the fact that every other week I read in one forum or another about a problem that is an absolute deal breaker. Such as not being able to slip the audio from the video in the cut.”
Obviously I can’t address all the forum deal-breakers, but FWIW that last one is definitely not true. If you need to slip (sync) audio you just need to detach it from the picture and it works like any other NLE.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Just think, it’s make up time for not having to patch anything when adding it to the timeline.”
That alone is worth putting up with all of X’s quirks. Just throwing stuff around in the timeline without worrying about it. When I work in 7 or Pr I want to pull my hair out now. No matter how “smart” the tracks or patching is, it ain’t smarter than “put it wherever the hell you want”. 😉
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[Scott Witthaus] ” “X remains probably total bullshit as an editing system.””
you’re maybe taking that out of context, X is the furthest thing from bullshit. Someone smart said on a podcast lately that X is an impossible mix of genius and half insane. that they went for the bleachers. I do personally think the timeline is bonkers, that said – I barely qualify as an editor. I raised a point about classic alt dragging a while ago that proved to me i don’t even know my arse from my elbow in the system I prefer… so there’s that.
that said, what I said, half carefully was:
“Realistically, in terms of the timeline operation, X remains probably total bullshit as an editing system. ”
that is a couched phrase specific only to the timeline operation. like almost everyone else I have occasional mad hankerings for the overall system provided.
they’ve successfully altered the file unit, the checkbox drop in swap out proxy system is a near joke in its simplicity, the native CC with power windows beggars everyone, the inspector level audio muting/manipulation control across multiple clips is zany, I can live happily with the wonky pentagram colour wheel given they have altered the fx plug stuff – and the schema for organisation and tagging is around a galaxy away from other editing systems.
I personally choose to harp on what is a peculiarly arcane timeline that verges on wilful linguistic bullshit.
I await a conscious uncoupling of audio elements to allow me to slip them separate from the video.
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