mavericks issues

[Alex Gardiner]

Good to know Bob, just started looking at it here too.

In a quick test it hits 105MB/s (read and write) from netatalk 3.0.5 shares. So the client itself looks to be OK.

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[Bob Zelin]

in day 2 of testing, this is what we got.

1) ATTO R680 works in Mavericks
2) Areca ARC-1882x works in Mavericks (with a little tweaking)
3) drive arrays in general work
4) the 10gig cards work in Mavericks
5) 1GbE is still about 100 – 110 MB/sec over AFP in Mavericks.
6) with 10GbE, and Mavericks, there is a DRAMATIC SPEED INCREASE – it is inconsistent, but we see about 600 MB/sec read time – this is 200 MB/sec faster than with OS X 10.8.5
7) SMB2 is NOT faster than Apple AFP in OS X 10.9. We peak out at about 400 – 410 MB/sec READ speed with 10gig Ethernet. This is dramatically faster than before with the useless Apple SMB from Lion/Mountain Lion, but still not as fast as AFP.
8) there are permissions problems when you use SMB2 that are not present when you work with AFP. I am working on that right now.

So all this stuff is STARTING to come together. I am working as fast as I can, with my limited resources to do this (I’m not that smart) – but I believe that we will have a working shared storage system with OS X Mavericks, without issues. At this moment, there is no question that AFP is STILL much faster than SMB2 – I sure hope that Apple doesn’t obsolete AFP in the future, but you can never predict.

As far as NFS is concerned, as I have been discussing on the FCP-X forum, NFS is no longer working, using the Bresink NFS Manager. John Heagy of NFL Films says he has NFS working, and I am hoping that he is willing to share how he got it to work in Mavericks.

I will keep you informed as the days pass.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
maxavid@cfl.rr.com

[Alex Gerulaitis]

Thanks Bob,

So for now, 10.9 is a no-no if you run either NFS or SMB2 or both?

[Bob Zelin]

I have been booked, so I have not had a chance to do more testing.
But for the limited testing that I did – it appears that while SMB2 works, it is slower than AFP, and when you have a network setup, it appears that SMB2 has permissions issues, so that when you create a folder on your shared volume from “edit1” and “edit2” tries to access this folder, they cannot, because of permissions issues that SMB2 is creating. Sure, you can manually run a “chmod” command on the server to open the permissions, but no non technical user is going to want to do that – so there must be a way to have “open permissions”, for this to be successful. I tried creating a group with 2 users (edit1, and edit2) and assigning the group to the share point, but still got the permissions issues. But use AFP – no problem at all.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
maxavid@cfl.rr.com

[Alex Gerulaitis]

Thanks Bob,

From what I hear:
– certain codecs in QuickTime are broken and this is a huge problem for some
– NFS is working for most people. “NFS here with no apparent issues. Speed and stability are both fine. However, we’re not using NFS Manager or automount but /etc/fstab instead” (this comes from the CIO of South Park Studios – I hope they forgive me for the attribution)
– “Adobe CS 5.5 MS, Nuke, and Autodesk Maya 20[12-14] all seem fine with no obvious glitches in a generic CGI production workflow under 10.9” (this is again from South Park)
– SMB2 can be quite problematic
– SMB2: “using CIFS:// rather than SMB:// for mounts (which forces SMB 1)” works for some as a workaround
– SMB2: fails with Synology
– Smoke: possible problems, one incident of “Had to back out of Mavericks as Smoke didn’t like too much”

— Alex Gerulaitis | Systems Engineer | DV411 – Los Angeles, CA

[Chris Duffy]

Hey Bob,

Duffy here 🙂 your bud!

It would be nice if you could tell us some background on your
testing, i.e.
did you use Mac-to-Mac, both Mavericks, over 10Gbe?
what tool did you use on the client? Adobe, Avid
or Black Magic Disk Speed test or AJA or ?

Certainly I have seen that Apple has boosted smb2 and afp
performance on Mavericks but………

I did some tests a while back with Mavericks, Mac-to-Mac,
using Black Magic’s tool and it was impressive, i.e.
smb2 was 630MBytes/sec write, almost 800MBytes/sec read
while afp was 930MBytes/sec write and 1.06Gbytes/sec read
using our 10Gbe cards but I am not sure if this is a
valid test since the tool limits the size of the files
it uses……filesystem caching is involved and so forth.

So let us know what tools you used 🙂

Thx
chris

[Bob Zelin]

I have been busy doing XOS Digital in Orlando, so I had to stop testing, but I will get back to it.

Mac Pro to Mac Pro, using ATTO NT series cards. AJA System Test.
Drive array was Maxx Digital with ARC-1882x (about 1500MB/sec), but speed tests were done over Cat6 cable via two ATTO NT series cards.

I need to do a LOT more testing, but these were initial tests, and then I had to go make a living !!!! I will continue soon.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
maxavid@cfl.rr.com

[Chris Duffy]

Thx Bob.

I was using an 8 drive raid…pretty small.
I imagine you were using a 12 or 16 drive ATTO raid, huh?

I re-ran the read/write tests using AJA like you did.
Using Small Tree 10Gbe cards I was seeing:

AFP write 820MBytes/sec write and 1.07Gbyte reads,
Samba2 showed writes 613MBytes/sec and 830MBytes/sec read.

Looks like you need to tune those ATTO 10Gbe cards a little more
Bob 🙂 they are a lot slower then our 10Gbe cards….
but you already knew this 🙂

Later,
chris

[Bob Zelin]

those are incredible speeds ! Perhaps it’s because you are using a Linux server, and I am using a Mac Pro as the server.

I did more testing.

So NFS is in fact working with Mavericks (probably my stupidity).

There is no question that SMB is SLOWER than AFP – and native SMB2
on OS X Mavericks has permissions problems, which Apple themselves describes in knowledge base article TS4149, which can only be resolved by running the AclsEnabled command in terminal – which works fine, but will be torture for those that are unaware of this (like me), who wind up saying “this crap ain’t working !”. I don’t know why Apple did this, but at least they post a fix for it.

Apple got NIC bonding working again in OS X 10.8.5 (it did not work in OS X 10.8.4), and in fact I just verified that OS X 10.9 server supports NIC bonding (thank goodness !).

OS X 10.9 server is much more responsive than OS X 10.8 Server – you don’t have to sit there waiting for the little wheel to spin around for 2 minutes every time you make a change (like turning on file sharing, or adding a new user). So this has been resolved.

There is also a nice tutorial section in the help menu, so you don’t have to google for hours on how to figure out how to do a lot of stuff.

So all in all, I have no complaints. On a personal note, a lot of the Canon camera utilities are NOT working in OS X 10.9, and Canon states that there is currently no support for 10.9. I am sure that there are other image browsers that work, but currently Canon’s do not.

AND, Thursby DAVE is not currently working with OS X 10.9, but since SMB2 does work (in my meager initial tests, with the Apple ACL’s fix in terminal), I guess you don’t really have to use DAVE anymore – sad, it’s a great program, with great support from Thursby.

In summary – just like any other big update, from any other manufacturer, I do my share of whining and complaining (“why doesn’t this work anymore”) – but in the end, Mavericks and OS X Server under Mavericks looks pretty damn good, and pretty solid – AND DIRT CHEAP to implement.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
maxavid@cfl.rr.com

[Chris Duffy]

🙂 Bob, in my tests I detailed I was also using a Mac OS (Mavericks) server….
I did mention this fact but we are both hard of reading, right? lol
Better switch over to using Small Tree 10Gbe cards 🙂

Duffy