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Marking out on the timeline is one frame too long!
Another editor coming from FCP confused about something strange PP does…
Let’s say I have two clips with a space between them on the timeline, and I want to add a clip between them.
I go to the end of the first clip, mark in.
I go to the beginning of the second clip, and mark out.
Bring into the source monitor the clip I want, and insert it.
Suddenly I’ve lost the first frame of the second clip I originally had on the timeline!When you zoom in to frame-scale, you can see that where you mark out a frame hangs past the place you mark out.
Maybe there’s some practical reason for it, but it seems like madness because if I know where I want to mark out, and I navigate there by either moving to an edit point, or using a marker, I have to always remember to use the arrow key to move back one frame before I mark out. It’s a little insane.Is there a way around this?
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Ok, maybe I’m just stupid.
Because I just went in to check if what I was saying was true in FCP, and I’m wrong. It does that in FCP too…So…
What am I doing wrong with my editing?!
It seems like a very strange thing…
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Out points come after the frame where the cursor sits (i.e. the current frame is included in the clip). This is easier to understand when setting in and out points in the Source Monitor.
The cursor needs to be one frame before the next clip when setting the out point on the timeline.
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Stephen,
If you’ve had any background in tape editing then yes this is strange behaviour, but unfortunately it’s just the way Premiere Pro works.
When editing tape the mark out point on your recorder remains intact. Not so in PPro. It thinks the out point (on the timeline) is the last frame of video you wish to insert (or overwrite) and it does not remain intact (on the timeline).
It’s just a different way of doing things. As Ivan says, just think of your out point (on the timeline) as the last frame of vision that you are inserting (or overwriting).
Hope that makes sense?
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To think…all those years on FCP that you’ve been chopping off an extra frame without even knowing about it. The horror! 😉
Yes, with most NLEs you have to go backward one frame to use the playhead to mark out.
That’s why it is better to use the “Mark Clip” function for marking an In and Out mark. Mark Clip will always set your Out point the way you’d expect.
Kevin Monahan
Sr. Content and Community Lead
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Thanks for all the responses.
Schooled myself to this little thing now!
Thanks
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This moronic way of marking out points was started by FCP. When Premiere first transitioned to Premiere Pro they based their product on the FCP model. As far as I know Avid does not treat out points this way, but rather follows the more reasonable and logical CMX standard for marking out points. When I first started using FCP I spent many a wasted hour posting and complaining about this idiocy, now I just live with it. Remember – it’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “his moronic way of marking out points was started by FCP. When Premiere first transitioned to Premiere Pro they based their product on the FCP model. “
That’s not true, the same behavior exists in other NLEs, like the Avid Media Composer. At least it did when I operated that system. In Media Composer, you could mark out the way you want by pressing the Command key when dragging the playhead to the edit point.
Why not make a feature request for a similar behavior? https://www.adobe.com/go/wish
Kevin Monahan
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Quantel iQ has an option to choose either an inclusive or exclusive out point. I’ve found out it just messes me up even more when there are couple of users with their own preferences.
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Avid the same behavior. Not sure about Lightworks, but I believe it also has the same behavior. This has been a part of NLE interface behavior since the beginning. I came from tape too, and it took me about a week to get used to it.
Mark out includes the same frame you are currently looking at. Just tell yourself that over and over.
I’m surprised FCPX didn’t change the paradigm on this, as they seemed to throw every other NLE convention out the window.
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A good rule of thumb is to use Mark Clip. The only time I need to go back one frame is when I set an Out point only.
Kevin Monahan
Sr. Content and Community Lead
Adobe After Effects
Adobe Premiere Pro
Adobe Systems, Inc.
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