-
MacBreak Studio discussion on Avid and FCPX
-
[peter dunphy] “Tweet from Chris Jones “Why you should choose Adobe CS 5.5 for editing your film” and his blog entry
https://www.chrisjonesblog.com/2012/01/avid-or-final-cut-pro-x-tips-for-sett...”
Have a look at number 6 from that list. Not quite sure I’m understanding the tweet vs the blog.
-
It’s important to remember that the MacBreak studio guys are ALL IN on Final Cut Pro X –
this is their bread and butter – training videos.
They’ve already made and sold all the FCP7 training videos they’ll do since it’s EOL.
They had advance looks at Final Cut Pro X to get the first training videos out. If FCP X doesn’t sell – they don’t make money. I’ve written to one of the two excellent instructors in that video at the top of this thread and urged them to make an AVID training video as the majority of FCP 7 editors couldn’t continue working with X – he responded they already were in the process – which indicates they knew FCP X wouldn’t be widely accepted before it even hit the Apple online store shelves.
As for the guy on the right chuckling whenever there was an Avid feature mentioned — he too is vested in Apple succeeding with Final Cut Pro X as he’s helping create the training videos — they are enthusiastic cheerleaders in large part because it’s their income at stake — they may indeed love FCP X — but they’re counting on folks who need training to love it a lot more.
Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852 -
[Andy Field] “It’s important to remember that the MacBreak studio guys are ALL IN on Final Cut Pro X –
this is their bread and butter – training videos.
They’ve already made and sold all the FCP7 training videos they’ll do since it’s EOL.
They had advance looks at Final Cut Pro X to get the first training videos out. If FCP X doesn’t sell – they don’t make money. I’ve written to one of the two excellent instructors in that video at the top of this thread and urged them to make an AVID training video as the majority of FCP 7 editors couldn’t continue working with X – he responded they already were in the process – which indicates they knew FCP X wouldn’t be widely accepted before it even hit the Apple online store shelves.
As for the guy on the right chuckling whenever there was an Avid feature mentioned — he too is vested in Apple succeeding with Final Cut Pro X as he’s helping create the training videos — they are enthusiastic cheerleaders in large part because it’s their income at stake — they may indeed love FCP X — but they’re counting on folks who need training to love it a lot more.”
Pretty jaded view, there.
I’m sure if they didn’t believe in it, they would toss it aside, just like the score of Legacy users have done all over the internets. There’s no incentive for them to work on something that they don’t think is going to succeed. Maybe they know more than we do….
Judging by the napkin based numbers of FCPX sales, they have a bunch of new and potential clients. Good for them.
That being said, they need to go where the money is, so an Avid training program makes sense, especially for FCP “switchers”. They are just like us, they need to look around to see where they need to be, and not put their sh*t in one basket.
Not a big deal or conspiracy, rather, a smart and necessary move.
Jeremy
-
a video about editing and the audio is out of sync.. oh the irony.
Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production – NBC/Universal
-
[Jeremy Garchow] “Not a big deal or conspiracy, rather, a smart and necessary move.”
Agreed. I think its cool that Ripple has an Avid vid coming, and I certainly don’t see X as a flop.
-
[Andy Field] “I’ve written to one of the two excellent instructors in that video at the top of this thread and urged them to make an AVID training video as the majority of FCP 7 editors couldn’t continue working with X “
Uh…
So you’re saying that “a majority” of the two MILLION paid FCP Legacy seats (and the untold unpaid ones) “couldn’t continue working with X” and I call BS on that entire idea.
My take is that a significant piece of the top 100,000 of that two million editors “couldn’t continue working with X.”
But literally EVERYONE else can.
There are a range of “high level” facility needs where Legacy was capable that X is not yet equipped to satisfy.And yep, there are probably a dozen “negative” cases where X is totally the wrong tool to apply to the real world needs of some defined class of editors.
But I’m here to tell you that for the VAST majority of day to day editing needs, FCP-X works better than just fine. It works brilliantly.
If you don’t want to explore, or adopt, or even take the time to understand it’s capabilities – fine.
But don’t make statements like the one above. It’s false on it’s face.
Probably ninty percent plus of standard video editing needs. (video stream digitization, cutting, scene-to-scene transitions, scene arrangement, audio editing, titling, cutaways, compositing, etc, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum – are totally within the capabilities of FCP-X right now, work dependably, reliably, and in a way that generates excellent output that will meet anyone’s quality standards for professionally produced video.
A growing number of us are succeeding with it in professional production situations right now.
So your statement quoted above, fails. Period.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
-
[Bill Davis] “My take is that a significant piece of the top 100,000 of that two million editors …”
[Bill Davis] “… there are probably a dozen “negative” cases …”
[Bill Davis] “Probably ninty percent plus of standard video editing needs.”
Bill,
You’re making up numbers.
Franz.
-
How long have you following MacBreak, Ripple or/and Steve Martin?
Also your comment saying which indicates they knew FCP7 editors couldn’t continue working with X.
Which is far fetch and sounds like fan committed. Offering AVID training on there site just means expanding there clientel. Hints the Adobe training.
If you follow the boards cross the world wide webm podcasts, blogs and so on you will se the majority FCP7 users will go to Premiere or FCPX and minority might go Media Composer.
Which very logical since Premiere leans more to FCP7 then Media Composer. Besides its price wise a better deal with go with the production CS.Don’t know why everybody is ragging on FCPX. I agree it is missing Broadcast video output and multicam but that has been officially announced by Apple!
But other then that it’s like comparing After Effects (FCP7) with Shake or Nuke (FCPX) in terms the way it works and functions.
Besides as a NLE company AVID I would be affraid of one Applications Light Works! It runs on all platforms, open source and there is a free version.
FCPX will sale no matter which clientel and how long it sneaks into the major facilities and Adobe well they still have Photoshop and After Effects. Don’t mention AVIDs storage options Ligth Works and EditShare…
😉 -
This is a brutal crowd. Sad that some posters launch personal attacks when someone gives their opinion.
How long have I been following Ripple Training?
Since their first disk which I purchased and most of the others to help learn FCP and Motion and Soundtrack Pro. Their training is excellent – this wasn’t a critique of them or their training – just pointing out the vested interest they have in FCP X succeeding.
Perhaps I should have written that most FCP editors who use it to make their living in Film and Broadcast television find FCP X unusable in it’s current 1 viewer/no professional monitoring/no legacy support/trackless form.
If you are starting each project from scratch and output to the web -FCP X may very well be the best editor you’ll ever need.
This is not a radical observation. In fact it’s the reason this forum exists. No broadcast monitoring out – no tracks – no xml in the first version.and non standard in the subsequent versions..no audio mixer – no legacy support.
Apple says that’s all coming? Should we all just kick back and straddle two apps while Apple works on finally doing that. Most shops have to get their work done and finished today.
No legacy support is the deal breaker for every FCP editor i know. You can open a legacy project/Timeline in Premiere and Avid but not FCP X?
If you have a client base with years of projects on the shelf – that kills FCP X for you. We are constantly updating and revisiting old projects – taking pieces from them and incorporating into new projects.
And a careful read of my original post says “they (The Ripple Training guys) may love Final Cut Pro X – …but they have a vested interest in selling FCP X training”
They only offered FCP and related suite application training for a decade. Then suddenly AVID training is on the way. Would they be doing that if a good chunk of client base wasn’t leaving FCP?
It was a note about considering the source.
The Ripple Training guys are the the best of the best when it comes to training – no critique of them. But there’s a reason they are flooding the internet with all the free training video teasers. They need to get people purchasing their training to stay in business….that’s a tougher sell when the people who need the training are fleeing to other NLE’s. Even Larry Jordan’s getting indigestion trying to revamp his business and expand it to Premiere to follow the crowd fleeing FCP.
And for the record – FCP X is a cool program — just doesn’t do what we need for broadcast with enough control over saving various versions of projects — exporting just a segment of a timeline — and sharing for finishing with other programs without a good deal of contortion that wasn’t necessary in the older version.
PS I’ll be first in line to buy Ripple Training’s AVID instruction as soon as it’s out.
Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852 -
Not sure how my post was personal attack, if you felt it was sorry from my side. No intend.
Anyways the line: which indicates they knew FCP X wouldn’t be widely accepted before it even hit the Apple online store shelves. Is more a statement then a opinion.
I would not outcast FCPX from broadcast, there are some users here doing it right now and infact it has been working fine in our facility.
I think QuickTime 7 is the best NLE ! lol 🙂
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up