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[Jeremy Garchow]You can add roles en masse in the browser, think of it as preassigning your video and audio assignments before you even edit.
It’s easy to say this, but probably won’t be as easy to do. What do you mean by “en masse”? Let’s say I import a bunch of clips (audio and video) into FCPX. It will “sort” them in the most basic way possible and then I have to still select groupings of clips to assign them. I.E. I may have imported video b-roll, video interviews, music, audio clips, ect. There is no “en masse” way to assign anything to this because FCPX has no way of knowing itself what each clip is until I assign it personally. So, before I can edit a single frame of footage, I have to click on or otherwise select a grouping of clips, and assign them that role.
Then when editing, I don’t have to stop and think and click which Video and Audio tracks of the incoming clip are mapped to which tracks in the timeline.
But you haven’t really saved any time because you had to spend it all at the beginning prepping footage…and again every time you have to import some new asset.
Are you shocked at that conclusion? You still haven’t used FCPX, right?
And neither have you…at least not the FCPX you’re talking about.
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[Gary Huff] “So, before I can edit a single frame of footage, I have to click on or otherwise select a grouping of clips, and assign them that role.”
You start simply. Dialogue, music, SFX, broll, whatever. When I mean en masse, meaning I can select as many clips as I want, and assign a role, before they hit the timeline. Some roles are assigned. FCPX knows what video is, it knows what music is, it knows what titles are. So some of the work is done for you generically, but you might need to customize it.
If you need to change them later, you can do that too in no less that three places.
If you add up the time it takes to assign a role (which can be done with a keyboard shortcut) and the time it takes to arrange your timeline in tracks over the course of the edit, my money is on roles.
[Gary Huff] “But you haven’t really saved any time because you had to spend it all at the beginning prepping footage…and again every time you have to import some new asset.”
I guess oyu don’t understand how fast this pricess can be.
[Gary Huff] “And neither have you…at least not the FCPX you’re talking about.”
But I have used Roles, which is a feature that is in FCPX today. I can see further use for them that won’t be that hard to implement as the foundation is already built. I think I can say this without sounding like a moron. Sure an Index might come in CS6, but that is more of a stretch as it’s not in there today. The FCPX Index was in v10.0.0. As I mentioned earlier today, i have no idea what Apple is thinking, I can only go on the evidence of what is in the program today.
Also, if FCPX never turns out to be anything like what I think it might be, then at least I have choices, and I won’t be mad at myself for trying something completely new.
Jeremy
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[Gerald Baria]And FCPX’s main tagline is to relieve us from all the repetitive tasks that we do (like organizing,
Whether you are using FCPX’s metadata, or re-naming clips in the bin, the process still involves clicking on a video clip, and typing in information. How does FCPX relieve you from this particular task?
and clicking and dragging stuff just to make sure clips don’t collide and sync stays where they’re suppose to be )
Do you have a problem with this? I don’t.
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“But FCPX already has an index, right now. Today.”
I thought you said the effects index was something you could foresee but didn’t exist.
“Have you used it? Is there evidence in the program of those features?”Like I said, dreams are in the eye of the beholder. Have you used your audio sorting yet?
“You can add roles en masse in the browser”
I work a lot on cooking shows. I never know, until I lay it in the timeline whether a piece of audio is dialogue or effects. I then often break up and change parts of the tracks as I refine the edit. How am i going to tag that in the browser.
And how do I look at your trackless timeline (because FCPX has tracks, they are just visually meaningless and inconsistent) and automatically know which track is which:
Say I have 2 audio elements, neither in sync to the video – one is a vo, the other is frying sounds. Later I decide I want to move the vo – with tracks I know, without clicking on anything, exactly which clip is which. How would I know which is which in FCPX – how would roles help me here without my having to click on something?
“You still haven’t used FCPX, right?”
Still haven’t hit myself in the face with a hammer, but I can guess it’s gonna hurt.
“This process of patching the a/v in PPro is convoluted by the way, why do I have to patch it “twice”? Takes longer than it does in FC”
There are many things I don’t like so far about PPro which is why I’m still cutting on FCP7. 2012 awaits.
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thanks gary…i’ll take that as a compliment…after all a tool is useful…and as for my typing mistake earlier, i think you got the drift. all i’m saying is i have a strong feeling we are in for a lot of change. every time i bring it up i get shot down by so called professionals who think they know better..and i have been insulted a few times but i could care less. one idiot on this forum even went so far as to tell me that because i was a female i was reacting way too emotionally….he didn’t even bother to ask if i was male or female (not that it matters but i’m a guy) i am merely trying to get people to see that change is coming and it’s gonna be alright. instead i get attacked by arrogant people telling me that what do i know! guess i shouldn’t care so much and just leave them alone to find out for themselves and quit trying to be like noah herding all the animals on the boat before the rains hit. and stop insulting me with your life lessons. i learn from life and after 55+ years i doubt there is much you could tell me!
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[kim krause]every time i bring it up i get shot down by so called professionals who think they know better.
A professional is someone who make their living primarily by their work in video production, not as to whether or not they agree with your opinion.
and i have been insulted a few times but i could care less.
Yet you keep bringing it up, so it obviously bothers you.
one idiot on this forum even went so far as to tell me that because i was a female i was reacting way too emotionally.
I guess taking the high road was too much for you, eh?
instead i get attacked by arrogant people telling me that what do i know!
Again, your definition of “attacked” is really stretching things. I haven’t seen anything of the nature you’re talking about, besides the comment about you being female. Persecution complex much?
guess i shouldn’t care so much and just leave them alone to find out for themselves and quit trying to be like noah herding all the animals on the boat before the rains hit.
Oh, so now your opinion is so correct that people who don’t agree do so at the risk of their own financial peril. I see.
and stop insulting me with your life lessons. i learn from life and after 55+ years i doubt there is much you could tell me!
Arrogant, aren’t you? Let me tell you something. I know plenty of men and women who have gone through life without apparently learning much of anything. Just because you’ve lived for a certain amount of years doesn’t mean you have an ounce of wisdom in your head. You live and die by what you say and do, not by how much supposed experience we should automatically grant you to have once you’ve reached a certain number of years.
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[Jeremy Garchow]If you add up the time it takes to assign a role (which can be done with a keyboard shortcut) and the time it takes to arrange your timeline in tracks over the course of the edit, my money is on roles.
I’m not just trying to be contrary, but nothing you have said conceptualize in my head how of this would ultimately be any faster, at least not in a meaningful way. And I don’t feel that I’m alone in this.
I guess you don’t understand how fast this process can be.
Well, you are either not explaining it well enough, I simply need to use the program, or you are so intent on seeing FCPX become the standard that you are convinced already without the slightest shred of evidence. To be honest, all three of these have equal weight at this point in time.
Sure an Index might come in CS6, but that is more of a stretch as it’s not in there today. The FCPX Index was in v10.0.0.
Apple has a track record that tells me that nothing is a given with what will happen with future revisions of FCPX all the way up to FCPX2 (if that comes out). Right now, I’d say the two have equal weight as well. We have no idea as to the extent that CS6 will be like, but I would argue that we have a far better idea of that then we do of FCPX.
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who’s the arrogant one….i hear you talking but i think it’s all ego….you can’t seem to take criticism yet you find joy in pointing out my flaws…and it does bother me that someone (your friend mr weiss to be exact) has the attitude that females are all emotional..only a sexist pig would say something like that. what makes you think you are so damn superior anyway and that you have all the answers…talk about cocky and full of himself .and one more thing.. learn to respect your elders you little brat!
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[Herb Sevush] “I thought you said the effects index was something you could foresee but didn’t exist.”
Yep, it’s a hope at this point, but the infrastructure is there, so it’s not a huge leap of faith.
[Herb Sevush] “Have you used your audio sorting yet?”
When putting the timeline to view clips as Roles, you have to do it manually. So there’s a version if it already in place, more control is needed for sure. Again, based on what’s in the program at this time, not a total pipe dream.
[Herb Sevush] “How would I know which is which in FCPX – how would roles help me here without my having to click on something?”
VO would be labeled VO (as you can view roles on clips in the timeline today) and frying sounds would be labeled something meaningful to you. This is without clicking. You then grab what you need.
[Herb Sevush] “Still haven’t hit myself in the face with a hammer, but I can guess it’s gonna hurt.”
Nice one.
[Herb Sevush] “2012 awaits.”
Indeed.
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VO would be labeled VO (as you can view roles on clips in the timeline today) and frying sounds would be labeled something meaningful to you. This is without clicking. You then grab what you need.
Lets see if I get all of it though –
Because I don’t know what the audio is to be defined as till I actually make the edit, does this do away with the “mass browser approach” ?
I would have to label the clips after I laid them in the timeline?
Then if I wanted to change something from dialogue to EFX I would have to re-define it’s role ?
If I’m correct here, I still don’t see anything but a time drain. If I’m wrong, please enlighten me.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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