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low cost / DIY / beginner calibration solution for Resolve/Panny
hi there,
I was searching the web last week for a simple instruction for calibrating at home, and tried to find answers to my questions without success.
The system:
Mac Pro with Resolve -> Decklink Card SDI output -> Panasonic PF series with HD-SDI input board.– I would like to buy a solution so I can calibrate the display myself.
– It would be great if I could calibrate my other devices (the monitor for the gui too, as far as I can)
– I don’t need the most perfect solution, I’m looking for one around or under 1000$
– I red that for plasmas I need a LUT too. How can I generate one for my display?
– If I have a LUT, is if sufficient if I load it in Resolve as an output LUT, or should I put some device like BMD HDlink in the signal chain?Any help is appreciated.
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12 Replies
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I don’t know about a cheap way to “read” the display and make a 3D LUT for it. You might want to try to find someone with a X-Rite Hubble and either Light-Space or Cinespace to run a calibration for you and make the 3D LUT to be used as a display LUT.
I am using the Display LUT I made as a output LUT in Resolve (with apply LUT to scopes turned off) which works well.
I have a PF42-11UK with SDI.
-Rob-
Robert Houllahan
Director / Colorist
Cinelab Inc.
http://www.cinelab.comMAHC-PRO 6-Core 3X GTX285 20Tb SAS Wave Panel Panny 11UK SDI Plasma.
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Rob, thanks!
I don’t think there’s anyone with an X-rite Hubble or Light-Space etc., but I’ll ask around.Question regarding LUT in answered:)
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What monitor do you have?
-Rob-
Robert Houllahan
Director / Colorist
Cinelab Inc.
http://www.cinelab.comMAHC-PRO 6-Core 3X GTX285 20Tb SAS Wave Panel Panny 11UK SDI Plasma.
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Get an i1 Display 3. It’s doing to calibration, what the 5DMKII has done to cinematography. The stock software package that comes with it has some shortcomings, so you’ll want to buy it as a complete system with a package like ChromaPure or CalMan (rebranded as the C6), which will allow you to calibrate CRTs, LCDs, and Plasmas. The software you use will need to be licensed for your specific probe, so you must buy them together from the software developer.
ChromaPure has a variation called the i1 Display 3 Pro, where they hand-calibrate each individual unit using a spectroradiometer to eliminate manufacturing variances. If you don’t have the budget for something like a Hubble or a Klein K10, this is the probe to get.
https://www.chromapure.com/products-d3pro.asp
JM
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Rob, the display will be a Panasonic 50PF30. The GUI monitor is a Dell U2711
Jason, thanks for the link. I almost ordered the Calman i1Display Pro package a few days ago.
But the support said: “With how calibration works, its requires a client program to store calibration settings. Certainly CalMAN users have run VmWare, Parallels, etc. to run a Windows OS to calibrate their TV displays and you can calibrate your Mac display while running Windows.But when you switch to the Mac OS, the client will not be there and your calibration settings gone. If you want to calibrate your Mac, then waiting for the i1Display Pro Retail is your best option to use the XRite software that can run on the Mac OS to calibrate your Mac display. ”
What is the way solving this issue?thank you both!
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“Get an i1 Display 3. It’s doing to calibration, what the 5DMKII has done to cinematography”
Made bad, out of focus, clipped highlight, jellocam pictures with flat color?
Couldn’t resist… and yes I have used the 7D and 5D to shoot spots, I think they are basically junk video cameras.
The D3 is better than the older probes in it’s price range but it is still not even close to the accuracy of the Hubble. The big problem is not necessarily the probe though.
The consumer / ISF software solutions (Cal-Man, Chromapure, etc.) do not really do extensive profiling of displays and don’t make 3D LUT’s. They basically tell you how best to adjust the display’s internal controls, which only get you so far. Or they work with a consumer video processor like the DVDo which works well for hi end home theater installs but I don’t think the profiling is very extensive by professional broadcast / film standards.
A real Color Management System (Light-Space, True-Light, Cine-Space) will extensively profile a display, and it takes hours. When I calibrated my 11-UK (I use Light-Space) I used the most extensive calibration setup and it took 9 hours to run all of the DPX frames for the Hubble and Light-Space to read. I was then able to make a 3D lut which was within 98% of REC-709 and had accurate grey scale tracking.
The end result is a display that I feel I can trust, and the corrections I have done on this have translated well in other post environments and on higher end display devices like 2k cinema projectors.
I am not saying to go without any calibration, just that the consumer probe and software can only get you so far so be aware of the limitations of that approach.
-Rob-
Robert Houllahan
Director / Colorist
Cinelab Inc.
http://www.cinelab.comMAHC-PRO 6-Core 3X GTX285 20Tb SAS Wave Panel Panny 11UK SDI Plasma.
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I couldnt agree more.
Who buys cheap, buys twice.A slice of color…
DaVinci 8.0.1 OSX 10.7
MacPro 5.1 2×2,4 24GB
RAID0 8TB eSata 6TB
GTX 470 / GT 120
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I see, I’ll ask around, if anyone has a Hubble and Light-Space around.
Let’s say I find one, he calibrates the display, gives me a LUT. But I always heard that plasmas are drifting, and need to be calibrated often, what’s the resolution for that? -
The original question was, what’s the best way to calibrate a plasma for under $1000? Since a Hubble and LightSpace cost eight times that, talking about them doesn’t do Laco much good. If any of you know of anything better than an i1D3 and ChromaPure for under a $1000, I’m all ears.
JM
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It s better not to do it by yourself. There is a huge difference between calibrating your computer monitor and video output. It needs very deep understanding of what you are doing. Do not waste your money. Call for professional calibrator and pay him periodically. With plasmas its even more complicated as it changes luminosity depending of the bright area displayed.
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