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Log and Transfer in FCPX
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[Arnie Schlissel] “There’s no ingest. Right. It will be sold with all of the media you’ll ever want to use, including footage you haven’t shot yet. Actually, we were indirectly told that there is ingest, because we were told that there is (optional) automatic stabilization and color correction on ingest.”
Calm down & read the post again.
Its not Log & transfer that we are talking about, its Log & Capture.
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Yes, Philip Hodgett’s position, as I understand it (I’ve followed his blog and saw the webinar) is the file based ingest (Log and Transfer) is there. That in fact FCPX metadata handling takes much better advantage of that metadata in the file as well as creating new metadata, than ever before.
On the other hand Tape ingest (Log and Capture) will likely be handed off to third parties (according to Hodgett’s estimation as I understand it). Actually to me this opens the doors to more professional work environments since I really don’t want to tie up my NLE with tape input. Certainly such utility should be able to batch capture including conforming a time line as needed as well as go back to tape and include deck control as well.
Look at where Blackmagic is going with Media Express and I don’t doubt that they may expand on its features further once FCPX is out the door. Matrox continues to develop Vetura Capture and I’d expect AJA do likewise. All this, IMHO, expands tape capture features rather than locking everyone into the very limited features that FCP’s Log and Capture had.
In fact with Thunderbolt I’d expect to see more things along the lines that Telestream is doing with Pipeline through Ethernet now. Pipeline, which does the encoding to whatever (ProRes for example) in the box, sends the video into the computer or video server via ethernet and wraps it in an open ended Quicktime wrapper so you can actually start editing with the video while it’s still importing.
The most extreme example of the above I’ve heard about is someone taking in a four camera concert shoot live and editing it (almost like live switched) in FCP so that the first edited was done moments after the end of the concert.
I the (near) future, Thunderbolt may well handle multiple live or tape feeds and FCPX could edit that while the multiple sources are still feeding (maybe without the need for the open ended QT wrapper?). Legacy tape will be around for a long time. I expect it will be handled in ways most of you are just not thinking about.
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What evidence is there that there’s no tape ingest? None.
Why don’t all the self-proclaimed experts of FCP-X calm down & wait for Apple to release specs & other details?
Base predictions on facts not rumors.
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[Arnie Schlissel] “What evidence is there that there’s no tape ingest? None. “
The point is that there is nothing to wring hands over because whether or not FCPX has tape capture, third parties will support it. Some people believe that if FCPX does not handle tape, it’s no longer “Pro.”
Hodgetts has said up front in his blog and his webinar that he has no inside knowledge, that he’s making speculation, that he has a documented history of a good (although certainly not prefect) track record of predicting Apple’s development with video related software.
BTW, for a time he was saying that the next FCP would happen well after Lion came out and late 2012 or later was the more likely date so he’s not infallible, nor does he claim to be.
I might add that there are many features within the current FCP that are eclipsed by third parties and that may continue with FCPX and that may be the case with tape capture as well.
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I pointed out not long ago that Blackmagic is releasing a major update to Media Express in June (around the release of FCPX) . Some of the new features they are including would be odd to include if people could just capture in their NLE. I mean not many people use Media Express as their primary capture tool currently. But yes…I am just speculating.
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I find it unlikely that they will drop log and capture. Many broadcasters still output to a tape format and that requires that final cut control a deck. I imagine that if it can output to tape still, then it wouldn’t make a lot of sense for it to drop the input from tape. If Apple dropped Log and Capture from the software, you would see most users that require tape based workflow opt not to upgrade. I doubt that Apple would be so dumb.
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I think you need to read about
Blackmagic Media Express
https://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/software/It’s capabilities exceed Log and Capture complete with RS-422 deck control and CMX EDL import and export. I’ve heard they’re going to have a major upgrade to it in the very near future too.
Yes we need tape capture and print back to tape and it must batch conform to the edit. It doesn’t have to come from Apple though. If FCPX abandons Log and Capture it doesn’t mean Apple abandoned the hooks into far superior utilities.
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I must say, if log & capture is not included in FCP X, it is a deal breaker for me. I edit the AMA Supercross show for CBS & SPEED. We take the signal from the production truck and cut the show down to time. We usually have 7 hours from racing to uplinking to the network. In that time, we also have to output the show to DVCPRO-HD. There is not time to add any other steps in the process.
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We usually have 7 hours from racing to uplinking to the network.
So what do you for the last 3 hours, play cards? 😉
Seriously tho …
I must say, if log & capture is not included in FCP X, it is a deal breaker for me
This doesn’t make sense. If Log and Capture is handled by Application A vs Application B what difference does it make. Application B, dedicated to the task, may be better than using Application A. And why aren’t you using Application C anyway? Given your workflow it would seem to be a far better choice, then maybe you really could spend the last 3 hours playing cards.
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Below is something I wrote long ago about what L&C really should had been:
First of all get rid of that pseudo-overlay that pops up when you capture. It’s a shame. Simply make data entry fields non-editable like the Name field during capture. They still must be “live” though – during batch capture Current, Duration, In, Out et al must reflect the parameters of the clip being captured. During Capture Now In should reflect the starting TC and Duration should be calculated on the fly.
Add the equivalent of CHAR ON switch found on professional VTR’s to the Log And Capture window. Overlay incoming video with current TC, Cueing source material, Capturing… text in BIG BOLD TYPE so it’s clearly visible when you glance at the screen from across the room. That’s where an editor or assistant is often happen to be during long batches. Make “time data” and “time data & status” selectable. Make “On video”, “On black” and “Separate Window” options.
Allow Markers during capture. This must’ve been there from the beginning.
Enable Marker shortcuts during logging. Next Marker, Previous Marker, Edit Marker, Delete Marker must work in Log and Capture just like in the Viewer or Canvas.Enable editing from Log and Capture to the Timeline. F9, F10 should insert, overwrite into the sequence current clip in the L&C window as an offline clip. With modifier (Option?) they should perform edit and start capturing media.
Add Eject command. Both button and ejecting after all clips on a tape are captured.
If we had this kind of L&C and Apple removed it there would be riots. With current L&C most of the FCP users wouldn’t probably notice.
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