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Large projects
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[Walter Soyka] “FCPX would really benefit from deeper metadata integration into the timeline.”
More control!!!!!!
Indeed.
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Bingo, Herb. I was messing around from a current shoot where every take was a bit different. Auditions were really cool. It made it much more dynamic, it feels like trimming, but you’re choosing takes. You really can get a sense of the edit and choose takes for the best of the edit much easier and faster, not to mention it’s helps further the creative, but everyone knows that already. Right? Just kidding.
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Not much.
Will explore them more.
I’m coming around to your POV.
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Compound clips will work, but auditions have “easier” capabilities in terms of viewing many takes easily and quickly.
Compounds would be a few more keystrokes, but they could work as you propose.
They are both containers, but have different functions.
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A container that functioned like a group in Motion – a collapsible stack – would be useful.
From memory this has been raised a few times on this forum.
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[Rob Mackintosh] “A container that functioned like a group in Motion – a collapsible stack – would be useful.
From memory this has been raised a few times on this forum.
“Absolutely.
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[Walter Soyka] “FCPX would really benefit from deeper metadata integration into the timeline.
It’d be pretty cool if you could tag clips in auditions and have FCPX re-edit for versioning based on your tags.
And that’s just one obvious application for metadata-aware editorial. We’ve got some new tools — it’d be wonderful if we could use them to solve common (and easily automated) editorial problems that weren’t easily solved before.”
Exactly! This is the kind of stuff I thought the FCP X’s advanced metadata would be handling. I still see this as the promise, and the place that FCP X might eventually find solid industrial ground. But will it ever open up enough? Or is it going to stay as tight as, say iPhoto, with which it seems to share a number of characteristics.
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I completely agree, Herb, that there is a use for this and it is very powerful as a concept – although for me it shouldn’t be the default behaviour, it should be the fancy alternative.
I was trying to make the point that there should at least be an option to do it the other way (audition duration stays the same regardless of the duration of the source clip) which would at least conform to the conventional 3-point editing standard. The audition is already an edit duration (with its own in/out) so it should normally only require one edit point in the source clip.
When I first saw it demo-ed I though it was a great idea for “auditioning” multiple cutaways – clients are always wanting to try this shot instead of that shot and then changing their minds and this would have been a perfect tool to accommodate that if they’d only given us the option for the audition to keep its length.
As it is, it’s not worth the extra effort of setting a precise duration for each source clip to match the precise duration of the audition – at least in my view. It’s much easier to stack the options in the old-fashioned way, until such time as Apple get around to changing this.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “When I first saw it demo-ed I though it was a great idea for “auditioning” multiple cutaways – clients are always wanting to try this shot instead of that shot and then changing their minds and this would have been a perfect tool to accommodate that if they’d only given us the option for the audition to keep its length. “
Are your cutaways always the same length?
If you need the clips to be the same length for timing reasons, you would find your in point “i”, hit control-d then type in the length of that spot on the timeline (lets say it 3s12f) and then hit the add to audition keyboard shortcut.
So, find the frame, i, control-d, 3, 1, 2, Add to Audition.
What I find nice about it is how fast you can switch between takes, and the clips take up a lot less real-estate than stacking them all up on each other, especially if you have a bunch of good takes/variations.
The can also be stored for later for easy swapping just in case you need it. I don’t know, maybe others find that confusing and would rather have everything stacked up. I can see that.
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Jeremy Garchow on Nov 28, 2011 at 8:03:00 pm
Are your cutaways always the same length?
Well, yes this is exactly what I am trying to convey. The most common client editing scenario is to have an edited piece with the length pretty much locked down and what they want to do is try alternative shots – the length of the new shot being determined by what’s already on the timeline. Hence my plea – which will obviously go unheeded because nobody else seems to ever fact this scenario – that we could at least have an option where auditions didn’t change length.
I do understand FCPX (and editing generally) to understand how to cope, however, but thanks all the same for the step-by-step instructions!
Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com
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