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KeyFlow Pro
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[Robin S. Kurz] “To which you suggested that that’s what the tag are for. My counter-point simply being that that is a very bad substitute.”
I need to think about how to clearly demonstrate the best workflow for what you’re trying to acheive. It’s annoying when I haven’t had coffee (sorry!) but on the other hand demonstrates the overall confusion as to what the App does and doesn’t do.
The GREAT thing about this app is the developers are listening – and they’re able to make helpful changes very quickly.
FWIW, I haven’t been paid by Malgn (keyflow’s creator) and am not receiving anything for the trip to NAB. I’m supporting them because I see the promise of this app and want it to succeed. It’s filling in some holes in Finder and that’s a big deal, IMHO.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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[John Davidson] “I need to think about how to clearly demonstrate the best workflow for what you’re trying to acheive.”
Well, from what I’m seeing, the only way is as described: set IN at the very beginning, OUT at the very end, click “Add keyword” or hit KK. That does what I want and need. My point is simply, that one shouldn’t have to got through the process of setting the in and out, just as it is in FCP. There I select a clip and hit CTRL + 1-9 for any given keyword. No in or out needed, but optional. With KFP it’s not optional.
[John Davidson] “The GREAT thing about this app is the developers are listening”
Very true. And I am also in contact with them, since we have a relatively large installation that I’m trying to implement at my university, that I am obviously very eager to have work out as well as (I’m sure) it can.
[John Davidson] “It’s filling in some holes in Finder and that’s a big deal, IMHO.”
Interesting take. Because I’m not sure which hole in the FINDER it’s filling, but certainly which holes from e.g. the EOL’ed FCP SERVER it’s filling, aside from the imho VASTLY overpriced MAM market (whether it’s generally intended as a different use case or not). I, too, am most definitely interested in it succeeding also! Even with its little quirks (that obviously every app has, especially at such an early stage) I think it is highly promising also. Again, very much looking forward to learning more from your demo! 🙂
– RK
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They’re going to add the ability to FCPX Keyword tag a file without In/out needed. These won’t show up on files at the finder level. I have requested they also give FCPX keyword options in Smart Media boxes.
FWIW looking around at NAB there are so many media management applications – and this is the only one on the mac app store and probably the cheapest. Very interesting.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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[John Davidson] “They’re going to add the ability to FCPX Keyword tag a file without In/out needed.”
Yaaaay!
[John Davidson] “These won’t show up on files at the finder level.”
No, since that’s what of course tags are for, if needed.
[John Davidson] “I have requested they also give FCPX keyword options in Smart Media boxes.”
Good idea.
Now if only I could send my existing edit (i.e. FCPXML) directly to FCP 7/PPro CC… Seeing that it’s already capable of generating the needed XMLs from scratch, why not also translate? They’re already half way there…
[John Davidson] “FWIW looking around at NAB there are so many media management applications – and this is the only one on the mac app store and probably the cheapest. Very interesting.”
If they actually went Windows as well and/or figured out a browser version to access it, I’d say they’d tear the market wide open on the low to mid range! I got a quote for various MAMs as I was looking into options and e.g. CANTEMO wanted a mere $20,000… mind you, just for the server side of things. With that I didn’t even yet have the “plugins” for each needed NLE. By the time you’re actually up and running, with installation, training, hardware (obviously is of no use to you without fibre-channel) etc. etc…. $200K (near $100K even without the hardware). Others were not a whole lot different. Mind blowing. Whilst KFP probably isn’t exactly direct competition, they sure opened up the option of some serious media management for “the rest of us”.
Have you given the demo yet? Good luck if not… 🙂
– RK
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Presentation was Monday. Just got back to work today so i’m a bit wiped out. Fcpxml that points to a few media clips and keywords is vastly simpler than xml that contains project data, generators, titles, etc. When you then convert those XML’s to a completely different format for a different NLE, it gets even more complex. And then those applications change their formats for XML processing….it’s a constantly moving collection of targets that all have to be maintined to keep that function working. That’s why you have XtoCC which costs $50 just for that single feature. However, it’s entirely possible for them to be able to focus on extracting data from fcpx xml’s (and potentially libraries) that contain all the keywording done inside the libraries. I suspect that will be a 2.0 feature though, because we’re talking about a lot of coding that needs to be done and tested before it works right.
I’m going to make a new thread and share some updates.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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I have been trying to figure out how to connect to a KeyFlow Pro library on a NAS to test it between two computers on the same network. Anyone using it this way? I have not had much success getting any help on this issue. I can connect to it just fine from the computer that I used to create the library, but not from any other computer; using the NAS IP address, my login and password.
The NAS is a Western Digital MyCloud EX2 Ultra.
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We use this all the time.
Couple of things.
You might want to create a second user account in the library preferences if you have the app open as your primary user.
Also, when you hit CMD+K, or File / Connect to Shared Library, did you try clicking the Globe icon on the right to auto discover any available libraries on the network?
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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I did hit the globe icon. One of the issues is that it has always only shown libraries available on another Mac, never on a NAS.
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