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It’s All Connected — Clip Relationships and The Magnetic Timeline Paradigm
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[TImothy Auld] “Like what? Have you not been following this magnetic timeline discussion for the last year and three months?
“Yes.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] ”
Jeremy,I don’t think so – you’ve not answered my question.
Franz.”
I don’t care to copy and paste every time a/b has come up in this thread.
You yourself says FCPX is the best there is for a/b.
Then you said we shouldn’t think in terms of a/b
Walter and I had a discussion about a/b earlier today.
David Lawrence mentioned it. Aindreas has alluded to it.
It has come up over the year more than twice.
I’ll ask again, how is FCPX an a/b convention?
Media 100 was an a/b convention it said so right there on the timeline, and FCPX works nothing like it.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I’ll ask again, how is FCPX an a/b convention?”
Here’s how I see it:
Primary = A
Anything connected to Primary = BLike Walter said, the A/B model is conceptual, rather than purely literal. I don’t know of anyone saying FCPX is exclusively for A/B editing. Rather, the argument we’re making is that the A/B editing model is what FCPX’s design is optimized for.
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[David Lawrence] “Like Walter said, the A/B model is conceptual, rather than purely literal. I don’t know of anyone saying FCPX is exclusively for A/B editing. Rather, the argument we’re making is that the A/B editing model is what FCPX’s design is optimized for.”
I am starting to feel like a troll. I’m not trying to be, I apologize.
So, let me ask another way.
If your project has no broll, its only “A-Roll” FCPX is somehow not setup to edit it?
Actually, if you want your broll to stay in place and its connected, there’s some timeline juju that has to be done in order to get it to stay put. I don’t think it is an a/b editor.
I’m just asking for evidence. I feel Steve Connor’s frustration.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I am starting to feel like a troll. I’m not trying to be, I apologize. “
No need to apologize. We’re clearly not explaining well.
[Jeremy Garchow] “So, let me ask another way.
If your project has no broll, its only “A-Roll” FCPX is somehow not setup to edit it?”
You mean cutting in the primary only? Sure you can do that. Or if you work like Charlie Austin, you can just cut with connected clips. But I don’t think that’s what the FCPX designers intended.
I think of any connected footage as B footage. Content doesn’t matter. If it’s connected, it’s B because it’s a child of the A parent.
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[tony west] “Yes, for me it would have to be 64 vs 64
A 32 bit program just was not going to work for me once I had a choice of 64
It was just a matter of which 64 program”
Agreed, there’s no going back once you get used to it.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “To me, this is no different than needing to arrange tracks to make too for new material, or protect fcp7 from throwing a clip collision warning, or simply dealing with the nature of tracks.
You still have to edit with FCPX. You still have to make sure things are in the proper place.
With its non destructive timeline that might mean pulling a connected clip back in to the right stacking order.
It’s not that big of a deal to me.
In 7, you’d make room for this edit before you moved the clips, or perhaps you’d select all clips to the right and move the clips a little, then trim some things out of the way, or make more room by putting a clip or two in a different track, and essentially nip/tuck/nip/tuck your way in to ensure everything is exactly selected/deselected as needed as FCP7 can’t deal with this edit on its own. It sometime won’t even let you make a move like this if there’s “objects” that it finds in the way.”
Here’s what I see is the big difference:
In FCP7, I plan and make all of those arrangements myself before I make the edit. Everything is always under my control and the results of my actions are always what I expect, because I’m the one making them.
In FCPX, the software automatically reflows in ways I can never predict. In doing so, it changes my edits without asking me. Then after the fact, I have to go back and fix whatever changes it decided to make. I don’t like that. It feels like a backwards way of working. I want full control over everthing.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Have you tried this move with the bug fixed?”
I remember trying 10.0.4 specifically to see if they had fixed the bug and I think I posted something here when I found that they did. But other than that, I didn’t test to see how the connected clips behaved. I was just happy someone at Apple was paying attention.
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[Walter Soyka] “Interestingly, this points out a little quirk in the clip relationship thing. B-roll is often used to cover a cut, but you can’t connect to the edit point of that cut itself; you must connect it to a frame on one of the clips.”
My mind is melting.
How could you attach to a cut when there are only frames to attach to. A cut isn’t an entity, it’s simply a frame from a different clip, or from a different point in time on the same clip.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “How could you attach to a cut when there are only frames to attach to. A cut isn’t an entity, it’s simply a frame from a different clip, or from a different point in time on the same clip.”
A cut is an infinitely thin slice of time between frames 😉
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[David Lawrence] “In FCP7, I plan and make all of those arrangements myself before I make the edit. Everything is always under my control and the results of my actions are always what I expect, because I’m the one making them.”
Until you hit a totally rediculous collision error. Back to nipping and tucking until it allows you to move where you want.
X moves fairly predictable to me. Certainly nothing is destroyed and everything is allowed, it simply makes more room.
[David Lawrence] “In FCPX, the software automatically reflows in ways I can never predict. In doing so, it changes my edits without asking me. Then after the fact, I have to go back and fix whatever changes it decided to make. I don’t like that. It feels like a backwards way of working. I want full control over everthing. “
Again, I bow. I simply don’t see it this way at all.
[David Lawrence] “I remember trying 10.0.4 specifically to see if they had fixed the bug and I think I posted something here when I found that they did. But other than that, I didn’t test to see how the connected clips behaved. I was just happy someone at Apple was paying attention.”
The problem was that the position tool wouldn’t leave a gap when dragging a gap. Now it does.
Your example would look completely different if you used 10.0.5.
Jeremy
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