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It’s All Connected — Clip Relationships and The Magnetic Timeline Paradigm
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[Michael Gissing] ” I don’t see how pre defining group relationships like Roles in X can be as useful as temp groups with track organisation.”
Of course you can’t. A role doesn’t have to be predefined anymore than a track.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Of course you can’t. “
Sorry. Of course you CAN! Not can’t.
Michael, I think you approach audio from a finishing stand point. Is that true?
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “I’m going to guess that that is his “final” (locked?) timeline before lab work and not his working timeline?
I note the issue of FCPX is very conspicuous by its absence, and yet I can’t imagine you didn’t ask about it …”I did discuss X with WM, but it really wasn’t relevant to this article. His position – as I understand it – is basically that it doesn’t work for him in its present state. I think he was pretty clear about that in the Boston video.
As far as the timeline – it’s both. As he builds up the cut, everything is there. So the audio and video tracks represent both temp and final effects and mix elements are they evolve. He tells me that he works on the entire movie timeline at once, not individual shorter reels. As final effects come in they replace (or stack above) the temp effects. Or as he gets final SFX or music, he sticks it in to replace temp sounds.
[Jeremy Garchow] “If you take a really good look at that timeline, you will see that the bulk of it is v1 and a1-a6.
You will then see v2 is nothing.
There are 8 audio tracks that are being used for spacers.”That’s precisely the point of why 7 works for him and X doesn’t. The ability to use the timeline construct for visual organization. That’s the whole concept of zones that we’ve discussed, which would be a great addition to X.
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[Oliver Peters] “As far as the timeline – it’s both.”
Oliver,
I’m interested in the breakdown. If I squint I see surround effects suggestions and sub suggestions that he wants passed to the sound editors; there seems to be a clear breakdown of several sub mixes of music tracks as well.
… you can’t just publish that screen grab and not expect questions about the lens and speculations if it was 600 meters away or more …
Franz.
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Yes, I mostly do post on locked cuts.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “It’s not that there is no empty space in any other NLE, but there could be more efficient use of it.”
No disagreement from me.
[Jeremy Garchow] “I disagree that FCPX is only graphical. The Timeline Index might not be very powerful, but it is a way to help you find and display the information.”
Agree here too. I was trying to say there is only one graphical view of the timeline, not that the view of the timeline is only graphical. I called the Timeline Index a tease because it is a great idea whose current implementation leaves a lot of power on the table.
[Jeremy Garchow] “I just want better. I think there can be better than FCP7, and perhaps even tracks.”
Agreed! My point here is that I think “better” will exploit design principles to convey meaning, not treat them as obstacles to overcome.
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[Jeremy Garchow] ” The FCP7 timeline could be better.”
It could easily have been better but it’s not getting any better any more. For the Murch example they could have built the possibility of grouping tracks that could open like a sub-folder, allowing you to show as many tracks as you wanted to work with and hide the rest, but like all the other ideas ever posted on the “wish lists”, this ain’t gonna happen.
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[Herb Sevush] “It could easily have been better but it’s not getting any better any more. For the Murch example they could have built the possibility of grouping tracks that could open like a sub-folder, allowing you to show as many tracks as you wanted to work with and hide the rest, but like all the other ideas ever posted on the “wish lists”, this ain’t gonna happen.”
Wait. Fcp7 is dead?!???!? Wut?????
Perhaps I should have said the fcp7 replacement application timeline could be better.
The “track paradigm” could be better.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “The “track paradigm” could be better.”
Yes, the track paradigm can be better and there is no reason to believe it won’t be.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Jeremy Garchow] “With FCPX, and now with Maps, Apple is banking on doing it their way and controlling the distribution. I cannot imagine even in my most cynical heart of hearts that Apple thought Maps would be an equivalent to Google Maps on launch day. What they have done, and this is my speculation, is taken the risk.”
[Jeremy Garchow] “Plus, Google will take care of the iOS experience.”
Agree that Apple is taking risk for the sake of the long term and Google will come thru with something good. Still, this article in The Verge today (link) was an eye opener.
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