Is it better to simply use dual layer dvd’s as opposed to messing around w bitrates?

[George Dean]

Hi Jeff,

I would try the bit rate adjustment and if I could live with the quality I would avoid dual layer, as sometimes players have an issue with dual layer burns.

Best Regards……George

[Graham Bernard]

[George Dean] “I would try the bit rate adjustment”

In a heart beat… In a heart beat.

Once you’ve experimented with adjusting BitRates, and getting all your Video onto one DVD you’ll have a world of opportunity. What is the total Playtime of your Movie? I can easily get two hours onto a single, single layer DVD, including complex menu structures etc etc….

* Grazie

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[Francois Pénzes]

Hi Jeff

I second my colleagues. You can use this handy calculator to help you figure it out. This is one of many available for free out there.

https://www.videohelp.com/software/Bitrate-calculator

Cheers !

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[Jeff David]

Thanks! My video is 2 hours long.

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[Jeff David]

Thanks Francois.

I downloaded the calculator but I am somewhat confused.

For the video specs, I know I can look them up under “project properties” and I did except I was unable to find

“TOTAL FRAMES”

I am using Sony Movie Studio Platinum 13. Where do I find the number of frames please?

Also – where do I find the bitrate and size for the audio tracks? I have a voice track and sound track.

Am I correct that on the right hand side under “CALCULATE FROM” I only need to enter the final size I want?

I see that 1,457 is entered in the video bitrate option and 0.001 is entered in the bits/pixel farm field. Do I need to enter anything in those boxes?

I’ve never had any experience w this type of thing.

Thanks.

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[Graham Bernard]

[Jeff David] “My video is 2 hours long.”

Totally doable. Now, that BitRate calculator is not one I know. Here’s the one I’ve used over decades of use and found to be both reliable and straightforward. It also gives a graphical suggestion as to the possible Quality you’d get.

It’s part of this “other” COW thread being hosted by a stalwart for VP, John Cline, a chap who I’ve learnt much of my video production, from capture to publishing – here that means DVD production. Thanks John! ???? : https://forums.creativecow.net/docs/forums/post.php?forumid=24&postid=935307&univpostid=935307&pview=t

Jeff, if you remember anything recognise the following:

1) Higher BitRates create larger files. If your video contains noisy footage eg Fireworks; dusty effects; sparkles from welding torches and so on, you might need to apply, just for that section, MPEG2 renders for that footage. BUT if your footage is mostly low optical noise or “quiet” then we can contemplate a lower BitRate.

2) Whilst Variable BitRates (VBR), as opposed to a Constant BitRate (CBR), whilst (VBR) allowing us to be “mean” with file size might confuse older DVD players as they could struggle adjusting to decode the bit variations.

Now, also download BitRate Viewer, although old, it still works. What this does is to allow us to see the changes in the bitrates of a file and give us a clue what’s best to use: https://www.videohelp.com/software/Bitrate-Viewer-2

So, with these two tools:

* BitRate Calculator (see the COW link to John Cline site above)
* BitRate Viewer (see the VideoHelp link above)

You can comfortably, subject to any necessary wrangling of optical noise, fit your TWO HOUR material onto a single DVD. No need for Dual Layer DVDs.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
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[Jeff David]

Thanks a million! I’m going to study your links now and see if I can figure out how to do it.

I don’t understand the one that Francois sent – although it’s prob pretty simple if you’re not a novice like me.

Wow – I’m glad I don’t have any fireworks like stuff as that seems like ti would be difficult to combine mpeg2 in there. Wow. I’m glad I don’t have to do that – it seems complicated.

I’ll let you know how I make out after studying your links!

Jeff

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[Jeff David]

Thanks Graham,

I downloaded both programs.

I saw where the poster said what to put in some of the fields on the bitrate calculator but what about:

Motion Menus running time
fixed menus
nr of subtitles
total slides
Menu transitions
streams per vts
duration each

do I have to put anyhting in those fields? I have no idea where I would get that info??

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[Graham Bernard]

[Jeff David] “do I have to put anyhting in those fields?”

Quick reply – no. Unless…. you’ve designed a whole bunch from that list. Have you? But, just for starters, let’s get an overall calculation and think about those overheads later, yeah?

Get used to Tweaking your “recipe”, making changes to balance all into that 4.7gb. As you adjust you’ll find you can drive down your overall size to provide some overhead space. It’s great fun!

Oh yes, whenever I’m preparing and doing draft DVD Burns I do it on DVD-RW.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

[Jeff David]

Thanks a million Graham?

I just spent the afternoon training to be able to do the dvd burn.

I would not have been able to figure it out just based on just the bit rate calculator but I found this awesome complimentary training video that is fantastic and covers the entire process!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBHsY2qdd8

I’ve yet to attempt to burn the dvd but that’s the next step!

I’ve burned blu-rays in the past w out any problem but it seems dvd’s are more involved.

I only just realized from reading the links that most organizations don’t even have blu-rays! Wow- I figured they would all have state of the art but I found out different!

Thanks again!

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