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Is FCPX gaining any ground?
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[Bill Davis] “the development over that time has been pretty spectacular”
for sure – its not the development i was speaking to – it was the lack of professional adoption.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “for sure – its not the development i was speaking to – it was the lack of professional adoption.”
Maybe people missed this. Maybe I should have started a new thread.
Yes it’s still only isolated cases we can point to and these are individual seats in a facility, not entire facilities… but it’s the kind of creeping progress that has to happen… and that is happening.
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[Craig Seeman] “Yes it’s still only isolated cases we can point to and these are individual seats in a facility, not entire facilities… but it’s the kind of creeping progress that has to happen… and that is happening.”
Yes, creeping progress.
I have yet to hear of any Avid or Adobe facility switching to X. Instead most of the FCP7 stories are about facilities switching to Avid or Adobe, with a very few just barely trying out X – in the article you posted, which I thought was very good by the way, the editor explained how he had to switch back to FCP7 to finish. He then talked about how maybe next year they could go the whole way with X. So instead of the position of 2 years ago where FCP was eating up the competition, we now have 2 years of the competition eating up the FCP7 market, with X creeping in to slowly regain a small portion of the market Apple used to own.
And from this we are to project that the gravity of the X paradigm is now bending the orbits of the rest of the NLE market? I don’t think so.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “I have yet to hear of any Avid or Adobe facility switching to X.”
As much as I love FCPX I don’t think that’s going to happen all that much. I think the biggest hurdle is the learning curve. It’s much easier for most to move from FCP7 to Avid or Premiere Pro than any of the aforementioned to move to FCPX.
That’s I bring up “creeping.” It will happen to the extent individual editors, already familiar with FCPX and, likely, the workflow needed for a specific project, to step forward and offer it. If that project proves an improvement in workflow then maybe other editors with either, step forward if they already know it, take some of their private time to learn it if the success motivates them. None of this is whole sale facility movement. It’ll creep. That’s why I’ve mentioned FCPX with “win” (gain facility use) by attrition.
The problem is it’s very difficult (maybe impractical) to expect an entire facility to move to FCPX very quickly compared to an FCP7 facility moving to Premiere or Avid.
As much as people say FCPX is “easy to learn” that’s most often for someone who has nothing to unlearn or for those few who have the down time to learn it.
Thinking back to my transition from Avid to FCP (legacy) I had been an Avid editor since it’s inception and after about 11 or 12 years sat down in front of FCP 1.25 I believe and it took me about a day to grasp it and about two more days to really discover its differences than Avid. It took me longer to be proficient but I had a good basic foundation of FCP in just a few days.
You can see in this forum that even the most ardent proponents of FCPX (including me) will often say you either need to watch tutorials or spend significant amount of time on it to grasp the advantages of FCPX over other NLEs (where it has advantages. I make no claim it does in every department). I don’t think most facilities have that kind of time luxury. So FCPX will move in by creeping. When someone can show, in their own facility, that it’s a worthwhile endeavor, will its use within a given facility will grow.
Granted there certainly are a few facilities that are transitioning to it but that’s often because they have an on staff (or regular) advocate who has proven its merit. Obviously if they see a big improvement they may move quickly. For example, if a facility sees a 20% reduction in delivery time on FCPX projects they may be motivated to hasten the move.
[Herb Sevush] “I thought was very good by the way, the editor explained how he had to switch back to FCP7 to finish. He then talked about how maybe next year they could go the whole way with X.”
Yes, this is a good example of prepared caution. They were prepared to jump back. They had a person confident enough in FCPX and familiar with the series, to use it. It will still for other editors to be ready and willing. He just provided concrete motivation with deliverables.
[Herb Sevush] “And from this we are to project that the gravity of the X paradigm is now bending the orbits of the rest of the NLE market? I don’t think so.”
Gravitational influence happens at very very long ranges.
I think Adobe and Avid and others are well aware of Apple’s ability to compete in any market it chooses to enter. Apple’s in a much better position to take big risks and that means they can push innovation very hard. Even if only portions of FCPX are innovative, they’ll be looking at how to compete back. I seriously doubt they’ve determined FCPX is out of the market. I’m sure they’re looking at the creep. -
[Craig Seeman] “It’s much easier for most to move from FCP7 to Avid or Premiere Pro than any of the aforementioned to move to FCPX.”
Premiere, yes. But the move to Avid requires a bit of committed rethinking as well.
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[Keith Koby] “I don’t have time to read the rest of this thread. We use it for broadcast materials. We will be using it increasingly more this year.”
Just curious, but why?
Speed? Creative? “Cost”?
You are one of us weird one who actually like it? 😉
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Just curious, but why?
Speed? Creative? “Cost”?
You are one of us weird one who actually like it? ;)”
All of the above + growth potential. Also, I find that editors who get actual exposure to it using it for work fall in love with it.
It’s by no means perfect, but is growing in the right direction and is useable now.
Keith Koby
Sr. Director Post-Production Engineering
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[Craig Seeman] “Of course I can’t “prove” it but hover scrubbing in Premiere Pro was influenced by Apple’s skimming.”
I’m… inclined to think so too. I remember at one of the first demos – I think at DV.com, in interview, the adobe guy seemed to be almost deliberately nodding at apple – he said something along the lines of “this is a really nice UI feature – we think this kind of thing works really well” badly remembered, but I remember thinking quite strongly that he was nodding to apple.
The FCPX timeline is still a mad bag of cats though. no one is ever touching that thing in competitive terms.
Apple have that all to themselves.https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “The FCPX timeline is still a mad bag of cats though. no one is ever touching that thing in competitive terms.”
While I don’t think it’s a mad bag of cats I do think it’s a nice platypus though. I don’t think they’ll be another like it. I do think a form of connected clips, track based equivalent, might make it into some other NLE.
Personally I think FCPX is the best cat herder in the business.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “The FCPX timeline is still a mad bag of cats though. no one is ever touching that thing in competitive terms.
Apple have that all to themselves.
“Can we assume that we all actually know that this is how you feel about the FCPX timeline so you don’t have to mention it on a daily basis.
Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure”
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