ioHD vs. KiPro

[Bob Zelin]

Roland
your posts make me want to vomit. This is the workflow. The workflow, that is – if you are a professional, and have the typical busy day shooting.

You bring your camera and your KiPro to the job. You plug your camera into your KiPro. You shoot – you shoot ALL DAY LONG, just like in any production. You can’t take your KiPro off to edit BECAUSE YOU ARE ON A PRODUCTION SHOOT and you are using your KiPro with the camera ALL DAY LONG.

SO, AJA, who is LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR POCKET BOOK, makes the drive in the KiPro REMOVABLE, and at a retail cost of only $260, this is REALLY REALLY CHEAP. You pop out the drive, and start to edit RIGHT NOW, just using your firewire 800 cable and your MAC Book Pro. Pop in a replacement $260 drive in the KiPro, and go back to work on the production, while someone is editing.

NOW, because AJA is looking out for YOUR pocketbook (to protect it), they released the I/O Express, which is LESS THAN $1000, and uses the Slot 34 adaptor on the MAc Book Pro (they even give you the slot 34 adaptor), so you can not only edit from the FW800 drive (that cost you $260), but do a real edit, output to VTR’s, or to a large monitor for the client – ALL FROM YOUR LAPTOP, all for less money than ever before. And they took into consideration that you need your FW800 port for the drive, and that is why the I/O Express uses the SLOT 34 adaptor. So they are looking out your your behind.

BUT ALL YOU WANT TO DO is whine that you spent $3000 for an I/O HD, and now, something else came out, and you don’t like when your investment isn’t the coolest thing in the world a year later. Well TOUGH NOOGIES ROLAND, because the industry continues to evolve, and soon, EVERYTHING THAT YOU OWN (and everything that I own) will be obsolete, and all that money that we both spent will be down the toilet. Get used to it.

With that said, AJA has made sure that the “old trusty I/O box” from yesteryear (released when the AVID Adrenaline was released) STILL has current free updates for ALL modern operating systems, and STILL works on the latest MAC, and no one has ever paid ONE PENNY for any of these FREE updates. How has AVID treated their customers in the same period of time ?

So the problem is YOU Roland – you are a whining baby. AJA is doing nothing other than trying to save you money, and cover your behind. Now get back to work before I come over there.

Bob Zelin

[Roland Blaser]

Bob, definitely I like your kind of humor. To make it short: Below the line it was a simple feature request. I’m sure both of us will LOL whenever AJA decides to add the “view through” for FCP in future. In the meantime we will be happy with the KiPro as it is.
And hopefully the creative cow forum will continue to be an open minded discussion forum for PROs like you and me, even if the requests and points of view seem to be strange or stupid sometimes.

Kind regards, Roland

[Bob Zelin]

Hi Roland,
thank you for not being offended by my statements. This is my typical “reaction” on Creative Cow, and other forums. It is not meant to do anything but be “amusing” with my hysteria. I fully understand that you realize what is going on here. I can only assume that AJA will at some point enable these features for us (but first they have to make the development money back !).

Bob Zelin

[Mark Beazley]

I actually thrilled by the announcement of this product. Not only will it save a shit load of time by not having to digitize video, it will make the entire workflow from camera to edit much easier.

I can honestly tell you that we’ve spent well over 10 grand in DVCAM tapes per year, so this box is kind of a no brainer the way I look at it; not to mention it supports NTSC to 1080 recording; and it costs less than the lowest end DVCAM deck I would even consider for purchase, which is a 1500a.

And the firewire thing is no big deal, just buy a $100 PCIe or Express34 Firewire card and then you’ll be all set running the IoHD and multiple Ki Pro drive modules.

I’m looking forward to this; this is going to save us money, time and headaches. The only question I have is whether or not one of these can act as a timecode master to slave other multiple units to.

AJA once again is releasing a kick ass product!

-mark

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Mark Beazley] “The only question I have is whether or not one of these can act as a timecode master to slave other multiple units to. “

The Ki can generate timecode and will be available on the LTC out port. Yes.

Jeremy

[Gary Adcock]

[Mark Beazley] ” looking forward to this; this is going to save us money, time and headaches. The only question I have is whether or not one of these can act as a timecode master to slave other multiple units to. “

While yes it does allow for external LTC timecode- it will require that all of the cameras be in constant physical connection to each other- meaning that long runs of SDI cabling will be required and that it stay attached to the KiPro during the entire shoot.

The traditional way this is handled onset is by using Clockit Boxes that continuously generate sync be attached to each recording device ( camera, audio or recorder) – these boxes are currently used in all manner of settings and are the most reliable way to handle timecode synchronization on a live set and are available for rent in most markets.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

Check out
https://www.aja.com/kiprotour/

Inside look at the IoHD
https://library.creativecow.net/articles/adcock_gary/AJAIOHD.php

[Mark Beazley]

My workflow is per say a actual “shoot”, but rather a corporate meeting type scenario with full blown studio kit style cams; so everything would be off the CCUs or routed.

Both have answered my questions though; it sounds like you will be able to sync them just like VTRs, so all is good.

-mark

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Mark Beazley] “it sounds like you will be able to sync them just like VTRs, so all is good. “

Yes sir. It should be relatvely easy. The Lockit boxes Gary referred to are usually for syncing entire shoots from double system audio to cameras, sending accurate tc to all. Of course, they recommend one per device.

https://www.ambientaudio.com/products/timecode.html

[Bruce Greene]

Just for the record…I would find the ability to display pro-res from the mac to a broadcast monitor a valuable, and perhaps, persuasive reason to purchase the product.

Don’t know if it’s possible, but it makes the product more useful to me. Significantly so.

Thanks for listening!

Varicam/Steadicam Owner
Los Angeles, CA
http://www.brucealangreene.com

[Simon Blackledge]

So what we supposed to monitor with now apple have dropped the express port on the 15″? We all have to get the unportable 17?? Hmm
If I were aja I wouldn’t be chuffed !!