Insert Edit Problems

[J. Tad newberry]

interesting…i’m having a similar issue. tried to replace a spot on a show tape, mainly to fix the audio from a bad mix, and it looked like it was working, but then i see that it only replaced the video and not the audio. on the good side, it does appear to be frame accurate. have you received any feedback on your question above? i’m going to trash prefs and try it again. oddly enough, i had just trashed prefs last night, so these are pretty fresh…

thanks again!

mh

[J. Tad newberry]

well, here’s my status:

trashed prefs, no change. I can insert video, but not audio. very strange. believe it or not, i’ve even read the manual on this section! : ) i tried “mastering” vs. “editing”, and no change. i’ve selected audio (all audio, no audio, specific channels) and video on the “edit to tape” window, no change. anyway, i’m just dropping the whole show to tape again…

thanks again!

mh

[Tom Behrens]

We have not heard back from anyone regarding this issue but we have in the meantime figured out a couple of things. 1-FCP will not let you insert either audio or video if either the in or out points are over ANY type of video or audio transition, i.e: video dissolve, audio fade, sapphire effect, whatever. Trust me, we have run numerous tests on this and we always get the same result which is to have black sent out to the deck from FCP or, occasionally, a freeze frame of the first frame of video in the edit. 2-We have also run across not being able to enable either video or a specific audio channel (or channels) to insert, the yellow indicators on the edit to tape deck just won’t light up. However closing the edit to tape window and re-opening it seems to solve this.

Also, I don’t know what type of deck you are mastering to but I seem to remember that some decks are not capable of insert editing only audio as some formats imbed audio within the video track on the tape.

These are big problems Apple should figure out and fix, this is not PRO!

tb

[J. Tad newberry]

i have a Sony UVW-1800 (BetacamSP), and figure most likely is SHOULD be able to do both kinds of inserts, (though i might be wrong on that), but either way glad to know i’m not alone in failing with these inserts. hopefully it will be addressed soon if it needs to be…

thanks for your reply.

thanks again!

mh

[Benjamin Nunney]

I have had an interestingly similar problem in the past week or so, having already come across the need to remove transitions on insert edits- another somewhat more destructive glitch has presented itself.

Using pretty much newest software (work machines, not 100% sure) with a Kona 3 outputtung to Digi Beta DNW? 500 from FCP6.4- every now and then the insert kicks in as usual but for some reason it begins muting the audio of the present clip, but will return to normal on the next new clip on the timeline. Awesome huh?

This seems completely random and occurs even on vision only inserts, and is often fixed by a restart- the other day after three failed restarts I tried using razors edits and forced black holes either side of my insert… It worked fine and dandy.
Call me crazy but this seems a pretty unprofessional work around, I too would love to hear some more info on FCP insert edit problems.

Cheers
BN

[Andy Mees]

Benjamin
You’ll generally not see many replies to threads such as these. This is mostly because the nature of the issue is one that you really have to “be there”, to see what really is or isn’t happening … 9 times out of 10 it’s simple user error (or maybe I’ve just had to look after a lot of simple users!) and sometimes its nothing more than dissatisfaction with the way the software is designed to work eg the no insert over a transition “issue”. But when there is an issue, if its not something that can replicated under controlled circumstances then there is no easy way to diagnose the problem. Yours sounds like the latter. That is doesn’t plague other users suggests you may have a settings issue, but that it is randomly “fixed” by restarting suggests otherwise. Perhaps a software conflict? As its device control related I’d be checking there first. Make sure that you have the audio mapping set correctly for the device you’re controlling. As unpleasant as it may be, have you tried a full clean reinstall of the OS and FCP yet?
Cheers
Andy

[Benjamin Nunney]

Thanks Andy

I do usually notch things like this up to operator error, but I have recently started working in new broadcast environment where they have recently taken to Final Cut- and in my 8 or so years of using various incarnations of FCP I have never seen some of the wierd and wonderful errors and glitches that occur on a daily basis here.

My main concern here was the way that FCP seems to get ‘tired’ after a few outputs- eg. Play out 1hr program, inserted on pre-striped tape fine- discover 3 or 4 issues on playout- change no settings and successfully re-lay 3 of the 4 fixups- on 4th attempt muting occurs…
I can’t even think of an easy way I would do that intentionally, let alone accidently!

I am back in today so I will talk to my superiors, but they did an entire system upgrade a week or two ago…

I am still new to the Cow and it’s communal intelligence, so I thank you kindly for your advice.

Cheers
BN

[Thom Obarski]

1-FCP will not let you insert either audio or video if either the in or out points are over ANY type of video or audio transition, i.e: video dissolve, audio fade, sapphire effect, whatever. Trust me, we have run numerous tests on this and we always get the same result which is to have black sent out to the deck from FCP or, occasionally, a freeze frame of the first frame of video in the edit.

Thanks Tom; thankfully i ran across your post here within an hour rather than a day to figure out my video insert was overtop of an audio fade below it! So strange especially since i was inserting video only!; I don’t know if you’ve solved your other issues a year later; but i was also getting the, “fcp is only going to lay off one frame” warning which i seemed to be able to solve by switching from mastering to editing and setting an outpoint in the ETT window as well as on the timeline.

Thanks a mil!
~Thom

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