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  • Posted by Oliver Peters on July 6, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    Since the question of numbers and market penetration seems to come up frequently in some of these threads, I’m curious what the people in this forum run across in their own personal encounters. Obviously this is unofficial, but let’s limit it to what you see at networks, broadcasters, larger corporate video departments, and larger facilities – not small one-man bands/ma & pa shops/YouTubers. Just for grins.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

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  • Scott Witthaus

    July 6, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “Obviously this is unofficial, but let’s limit it to what you see at networks, broadcasters, larger corporate video departments, and larger facilities”

    So you have tainted the “results” already. Let me guess: Premiere and Avid. 😉

    Scott Witthaus
    Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
    Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
    Professor, VCU Brandcenter

  • Simon Ubsdell

    July 6, 2017 at 1:10 pm

    I’ll go one better and give you a “formal” poll which supposedly shows (market share):

    AVID: 4.5%
    Camtasia: 9.9%
    FlowPlayer: 16.8%
    Premiere: 20.8%
    Final Cut Pro: 23.8%

    https://idatalabs.com/tech/audio-video-editing

    Then I will sit back and wait for Tim to remind us how to treat polls of this kind. it’s usually pretty withering, I seem to remember.

    Simon Ubsdell
    tokyo productions
    hawaiki

  • Tom Sefton

    July 6, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    78% of statistics are made up.

    Co-owner at Pollen Studio
    http://www.pollenstudio.co.uk

  • Simon Ubsdell

    July 6, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    [Tom Sefton] “78% of statistics are made up.”

    Apart from the ones we personally like to rely on, which are 100% correct.

    Simon Ubsdell
    tokyo productions
    hawaiki

  • Oliver Peters

    July 6, 2017 at 1:52 pm

    [Scott Witthaus] “So you have tainted the “results” already. Let me guess: Premiere and Avid. ;-)”

    Only if that’s your take. In my market, yes, a lot of both. However, FCPX shows up at places like Campus Crusade for Christ and a unit of the VA Hospital System.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Walter Soyka

    July 6, 2017 at 2:09 pm

    Among our agency clientele, we see companies using Premiere Pro over FCPX at a ratio of about 3 to 1.

    We’ve worked with just a couple of Avid die-hard users in the last few years — literally, two — and I think they both also use Premiere Pro. We don’t work with anyone still using FCP7 in 2017, nor anyone using Resolve yet as an NLE. We don’t know anyone actually cutting on Smoke, but Flame is alive and well in finishing (though we see way more Ae/NUKE than Flame in our market, and we have yet to see Fusion in the wild).

    These observations are highly anecdotal, and of course correlation is not the same as causation, but hey, this IS the debate forum… so presented without judgment: the agencies we see who use Premiere Pro are chasing and winning projects with significantly bigger budgets than the agencies we see who use FCPX.

    Walter Soyka
    Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    @keenlive   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]

  • Walter Soyka

    July 6, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “Obviously this is unofficial, but let’s limit it to what you see at networks, broadcasters, larger corporate video departments, and larger facilities”

    [Scott Witthaus] “So you have tainted the “results” already. Let me guess: Premiere and Avid. ;-)”

    For a lot of folks here, those constraints represent the most viable customers. From that perspective, it would be “tainting” to include “small one-man bands/ma & pa shops/YouTubers” because they do not represent potential customers.

    But really, it’s a straw poll among a self-selecting group of editors on the Internet. This poll comes pre-tainted, practically by definition.

    Walter Soyka
    Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    @keenlive   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]

  • Simon Ubsdell

    July 6, 2017 at 2:23 pm

    [Walter Soyka] “Among our agency clientele, we see companies using Premiere Pro over FCPX at a ratio of about 3 to 1. “

    I know it’s the question but I wonder how many places use only one NLE and how many use or at least have access to a range of them.

    So for example the answer to the question “Which NLE does the BBC use?” would be “All of them”.

    Simon Ubsdell
    tokyo productions
    hawaiki

  • Walter Soyka

    July 6, 2017 at 2:42 pm

    [Simon Ubsdell] “I know it’s the question but I wonder how many places use only one NLE and how many use or at least have access to a range of them. So for example the answer to the question “Which NLE does the BBC use?” would be “All of them”.”

    More questionably-useful anecdotes: all of the FCPX shops I know have access to Premiere Pro. They have full Creative Cloud subscriptions for Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, and maybe a little Audition here and there. They choose to use FCPX for editorial, despite the Premiere Pro icon sitting there happily on the Dock.

    I don’t see the same access on the other side of the aisle.

    I’m in New York. As Tim has quipped, this market is truly the Big Apple. I haven’t seen a PC in an agency edit room since the Avid Adrenaline days, but lately, PC envy has been on the rise. Every time I show up to a meeting with my Surface, I field a couple of questions about the PC platform, and a number of the Premiere Pro freelance editors I know have moved from just talking about replacing their Macs with PCs to actually doing it.

    Walter Soyka
    Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    @keenlive   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]

  • Scott Witthaus

    July 6, 2017 at 2:48 pm

    [Walter Soyka] “For a lot of folks here, those constraints represent the most viable customers.”

    Would you say an equal amount here belong to the groups excluded? Small shops, one man bands, etc?

    I am working at a larger shop next week and requested (and granted) having FCPX loaded on the system because I did not want to use Premiere. What group do I belong to?

    [Walter Soyka] “But really, it’s a straw poll among a self-selecting group of editors on the Internet. This poll comes pre-tainted, practically by definition.”

    Exactly.

    Scott Witthaus
    Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
    Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
    Professor, VCU Brandcenter

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