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  • Oliver Peters

    July 6, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    Just bear in mind that small shops, et al are generally not employers of outside editors. Typically the owners/principals are the only editors. That’s why I don’t think they are relevant to this type of poll. In most cases they could use anything, but of course, I know that they are likely the majority segment of total users. But they are such an odd mix, because you have guys like Devon SuperTramp who shoots with REDs, while other “YouTubers” soot with iPhones ☺ Same for NLEs, I suppose. I’m much more curious about the business community around me and other places.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL

  • Scott Witthaus

    July 6, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    [Walter Soyka] ” the agencies we see who use Premiere Pro are chasing and winning projects with significantly bigger budgets than the agencies we see who use FCPX.”

    I would say that the two (budget and Premiere) have nothing to do with each other.

    Scott Witthaus
    Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
    Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
    Professor, VCU Brandcenter

  • Jeremy Garchow

    July 6, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    [Tom Sefton] “78% of statistics are made up.”

    50% of the time, you’re right 100% of the time.

  • Andy Field

    July 6, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    In Washington DC – most of this is a network TV perspective

    Major Networks (NBC, ABC and I think still CBS) all on Avid…locals in Edius and Premiere

    BBC in DC still using FCP 7! (because FCP 10 doesn’t interface with their server for some reason but their field folks using FCP 10 ..and I’m told some premiere back in London

    At ABC where I work – AVID in house – and a mix of FCP10 and Premiere in the field (frankly it doesn’t matter…whatever is available that works fast and can upload or feed)

    Andy Field
    FieldVision Productions
    N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852

  • Andy Patterson

    July 6, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    [Andy Field] “Major Networks (NBC, ABC and I think still CBS) all on Avid…locals in Edius and Premiere”

    I used to use Edius.

  • Shane Ross

    July 6, 2017 at 9:43 pm

    Broadcast TV…documentary and scripted. Still see about 85% Avid. I have seen ONE place still using FCP 7 (editor won’t let go). I work extensively with another company that’s FCX all the way. And then the rest has Premiere creeping in..I’d say about 10-14% of places I know about are going Premiere, with a LOT of others going back to Avid. Where FCP 7 was, Avid is coming back, or a shift is going to Premiere (mostly)…with the exception of a couple places using FCX.

    But again, I’m in the lowly broadcast market that is smaller than the rest of places where you see video. MANY MANY web companies are pretty solid Premiere. Buzzfeed, etc. FCX has a small foothold, but isn’t gaining ground like some might think and hope. Not without trying, for sure.

    So…with the HUGE rumbles about Whiskey Tango Foxtrot and Focus being cut with FCX…anyone hear about any other majors? Premiere was touted for DEADPOOL and 6 Below…any others more recent? Not hearing a lot of PR buzz like we did before…

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  • Bill Davis

    July 6, 2017 at 10:08 pm

    This is a peripheral comment – not one about facilities since the ONLY guys I correspond with regularly are all in FCP X shops and therefore my empirical knowledge is totally skewed and therefore useless.

    That said, one thing I DO see is another HUGE rise in what I’ll call a bunker mentality.

    It really seems like people are trying NOT to stick their necks out AT ALL because global business seems HUGELY unsure of which way the winds will blow in the coming few years.

    Part of that IMO is the result of recent elections where a “lets go back to when it was easier” mentality showed up lots of polling places worldwide.

    The unease out there is palpable. It’s really hard to find organizations saying “lets put out a bunch of money for innovation right now.” They’re in bunker mode. Trying to make whatever they already have – do ALL the work they need to do.

    It’s going to take BOLD new thinking – something that’s clearly and decisively a better play – to make people move off their current positions.

    As a result – it wouldn’t surprise me to see the adoption ratios we have right now – reflected almost precisely for the coming few years. It’s going to take some larger disruption to move the needle in such a “small c” conservative environment.

    And when the dams eventually break – the hardware, software, and even the “what IS an NLE anymore” thinking environment may be VERY different than what we see today. Only time will tell.

    My 2 cents.

    Creator of XinTwo –
    The shortest path to FCP X mastery.

  • Shane Ross

    July 6, 2017 at 11:04 pm

    Not all roads lead to FCX, Bill. FCX isn’t the ULTIMATE NLE that is the future…and the mentality that unless people embrace risk and jump on FCX they will stagnate…that FCX is the only NLE that’s forward thinking….is wrong.

    Again…I will state…ONE NLE is not the solution to everything. It won’t be perfect for everyone and every situation. Many areas of post have VERY different needs, needs that FCX can’t solve. Others have needs that Avid never will solve and is the worst choice. There are dozens of different delivery needs and processes in the vast world of video, and one NLE cannot conquer them all. FCX is absolutely wrong for so many situations. And Avid is absolutely wrong for others. PPro, Edius…the same. Avid is progressing and addressing the needs of the people and workflows it serves. Yes, it is held back by a few carmudgeons that hate change, but it also needs to change to meet current cameras and current workflows. And it is. As is Premiere.

    It works…it works well…so why jump to FCX when there is no need? It isn’t “we don’t want to embrace the future,” it’s “what tool works best for my given situation.”

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  • Michael Gissing

    July 6, 2017 at 11:33 pm

    The % of work flowing into my post finish studios is still FCP7 60%. Next is Premiere around 25%. Avid around 15% and X 10%. However I am seeing and hearing from many legend holdouts and some recent converts to Premiere that Resolve is where they are now looking. I have just pulled the old MacPro out of the rack and intend to sell it with the FCP Studio software before it is too late. Legend will crumble soon but not with people going to X in my world. X remains niche and only a few film maker friends use it exclusively. So that is the state of NLEs for docos in the antipodes. The serious interest in Resolve since the beta release of 14 at NAB is the trend to watch.

    I had an interesting Skype session with Paul Saccone from Blackmagic yesterday as part of an article I am writing about the marriage of Resolve and Fairlight. He said that Blackmagic’s philosophy is to have an eco system where a single tool can obviate the need for translation between different software. So the idea is that editors, graders and sound post can all work within the one tool and collaboratively. This suits the needs of the bunker mentality sole maker who shoot, edit, grade and mix their shows. The big facilities can use the collaborative workflows of having separate users log in to a project and take control of grade or Fairlight pages while the editor can be making trims. The send/return to Fusion also means that a single software environment can complete post without needing to translate between other NLE, DAW and VFX software.

    At the same time they will be totally supporting interchange with other NLEs. I think this is going to be very significant. They are under no illusions they are catching up on the NLE front but they are catching up fast. The 14 release is the biggest fundamental change they have ever done with a total re coding of the engine with huge speed increases. With Fairlight they have also introduced audio clip stacking to picture editors and I can tell you there will be some raised eybrows when editors start to realise the elegance and power of audio manipulation that us sound post people have been trumpeting for years.

  • Oliver Peters

    July 6, 2017 at 11:36 pm

    Although BMD is working hard to create the “one NLE to rule them all”. Ironically I see some newbie users for whom the Resolve UI and workflow makes far more sense than X. Maybe tracks and a clear delineation between audio and video is more logical for the majority of folks. Who knows? But as most of us know, one size definitely doesn’t fit all.


    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL

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