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iMac Pro or next year’s Mac Pro?
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[Rich Rubasch] “Do I really need the iMac Pro, or could a fully maxed out iMac tide us over for 1-2 years?”
It would depend on what you are trying to do. For me my Mac Mini using FCPX works OK. Having said that I am only going to edit a few 1920 X 1080 YouTube video using AVCHD video files. Obviously the Mac Mini would not be a good option if I wanted to edit the native Red One R3D video files.
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[andy patterson] “Why can’t Apple just offer better products?”
I think you are making a value judgement based on your needs and wants that most others here may not agree with. I have a hot-rodded Mac Pro tower, but I shifted to using my 2015 MBP full-time at home, because it’s a better machine. The place I mainly freelance at has a mixture of old Mac Pros, a 2013 Mac Pro and several loaded iMacs. The Mac Pro towers are dogs by today’s standards and the only think the iMacs suffer on is rendering AE projects with heavy plug-ins, like particles. I don’t think anyone there misses cards in slots and having to deal with keeping all of that stuff current.
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[Oliver Peters] “I think you are making a value judgement based on your needs and wants that most others here may not agree with.”
I am going by what I see around me. People have built hackintosh systems and bought after makrtet Nvidia GPUs. I am not saying all Apple users are thinking of switching to Windows 10 systems but some have.
[Oliver Peters] “I have a hot-rodded Mac Pro tower, but I shifted to using my 2015 MBP full-time at home, because it’s a better machine.”
Better than what? An old 2012 Mac Pro? Does it offer a better bang for the buck than a $1,600.00 dollar gaming PC? If Apple offered a generic ATX system with a six core i7 8700K and a GTX 1080 Ti for $1,600.00 would you have opted for the Trash Can? That is the question that needs to be asked. I cannot wait to see what Volta will have to offer over Pascal. Will Apple even offer Volta as an option?
[Oliver Peters] “The place I mainly freelance at has a mixture of old Mac Pros, a 2013 Mac Pro and several loaded iMacs.”
They can only buy what Apple offers. Keep in mind Shane uses a Hackintosh and is considering a Windows PC. That was kind of my point. Apple users should not have to build hackintosh systems or buy an external Nvidia GPU. Apple should have more options. I now Apple won’t do it.
[Oliver Peters] “The Mac Pro towers are dogs”
I agree.
[Oliver Peters] ” I don’t think anyone there misses cards in slots and having to deal with keeping all of that stuff current.”
They may not but some people do. Also it is hard to say because Apple’s options are limited. There are hackitosh system on YouTube and others have opted to switch to Windows PC. It may or may not be a lot but if Apple did offer a generic ATX system with a Coffee Lake i7 8700K and GTX 1080 Ti for $1,600.00 do you think it would out sell the Trash Can systems? I don’t think Anyone wants HP or Dell to stop making their towers and opt for the Trash Can. Do you kind of see my point? I am not saying the Apple products don’t work. I am saying if other options were offered some Apple user would prefer the alternative options.
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[andy patterson] “Better than what? An old 2012 Mac Pro?”
No, better than my 2009 Mac Pro tower, even though theoretically the tower has better specs. It’s a 2015 MBP.
[andy patterson] “Does it offer a better bang for the buck than a $1,600.00 dollar gaming PC?”
For my needs, yes. Especially considering that I already owned it. ☺
[andy patterson] “If Apple offered a generic ATX system with a six core i7 8700K and a GTX 1080 Ti for $1,600.00 would you have opted for the Trash Can?”
I haven’t personally bought a trash can, although my son has. I work for companies that have. It’s a silly hypothetical you are presenting, as Apple would never offer that kind of machine, while still maintaining a high price on the trash can Macs. But, if dollars were in a similar ballpark, then yes, I might still opt for a trash can.
[andy patterson] “They can only buy what Apple offers.”
You have no idea what you’re talking about. I was part of those purchasing decisions and first of all, it’s an evolutionary decision. If I have 7 or 8 workstations on shared storage of various vintages, I’m not going to replace all 7 or 8 at once with PCs. I have to be able to move files and projects around amongst all of them, which means one platform or you’re in a world of hurt. So, staying with Apple is the better business decision.
[andy patterson] ” I don’t think Anyone wants HP or Dell to stop making their towers and opt for the Trash Can”
Except they do sell all-in-ones (like the iMac), so they definitely have a market for that.
[andy patterson] “I am not saying the Apple products don’t work. I am saying if other options were offered some Apple user would prefer the alternative options.”
Sure. But there are also plenty of PC users opting for Macs. Ironically, IBM offers their staffers Macs as a work machine option. That’s because the company analysis has shown better cost/benefit ratio with the Apple platform versus PCs. Mainly because IBM has fewer tech support (software and hardware) issues with their deployed Macs. The discussion cuts both ways.
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Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] “Better than what? An old 2012 Mac Pro?”
No, better than my 2009 Mac Pro tower, even though theoretically the tower has better specs. It’s a 2015 MBP.”
You are comparing Apple to Apple. I would hope a new Apple computer would be better than an older Apple computer but Bob hinted towards the competition. I tend to agree with his comment.
[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] “Does it offer a better bang for the buck than a $1,600.00 dollar gaming PC?”
For my needs, yes. Especially considering that I already owned it. ☺”
You already owned it? Did you pay more than $1,600.00 for it and can it edit video better than a $1,600.00 PC?
[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] “They can only buy what Apple offers.”
You have no idea what you’re talking about. I was part of those purchasing decisions and first of all, it’s an evolutionary decision.”
You are talking only about you Oliver. My comments are not for Olivier Peters directly but Apple users in general. Many Apple users have built hackintosh systems and bought Nvidia GPUs? Are you saying if Apple offered the GTX 1080 Ti for the Trash Can no one would opt for it? There are YouTube video that state otherwise.
[Oliver Peters] “It’s a silly hypothetical you are presenting,”
There are videos of Apple users buying Nvidia GPU and PCIE external enclosures. Also several people who have built Hackintosh systems. What does that tell you?
[Oliver Peters] “But, if dollars were in a similar ballpark, then yes, I might still opt for a trash can.”
The generic ATX system can be built for much less money and offer more upgrade ability. Let me ask you this. Would you prefer HP to stop selling towers and only offer a Trash Can style option?
[Oliver Peters] “If I have 7 or 8 workstations on shared storage of various vintages, I’m not going to replace all 7 or 8 at once with PCs.”
Who ever said you would? My comments are not directly for you Oliver.
[Oliver Peters] “I have to be able to move files and projects around amongst all of them, which means one platform or you’re in a world of hurt. So, staying with Apple is the better business decision.”
You introducing a strawman argument.
[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] ” I don’t think Anyone wants HP or Dell to stop making their towers and opt for the Trash Can”
Except they do sell all-in-ones (like the iMac), so they definitely have a market for that.”
You a proving my point. HP has more options than Apple.
[Oliver Peters] “Sure. But there are also plenty of PC users opting for Macs.”
I opted for a Mac Mini so I could get on the Apple platform. You know what? I wish I could have purchased a generic ATX style Apple for $500.00. I had to opt for the Mac Mini becuase it was the least expensive way to get on board the Apple platform. I think more PC user would be willing to buy a Mac if Apple had an inexpensive ATX system like Dell and HP offer but the premium you pay for the Apple logo keeps some people away.
[Oliver Peters] “IBM offers their staffers Macs as a work machine option. That’s because the company analysis has shown better cost/benefit ratio with the Apple platform versus PCs.”
Once again you are using strawman. I am not saying the Apple product don’t work. I am saying Apple users are building hackintosh systems and buying after market Nvidia graphics cards because Apples options are limited. That is all have ever stated. I am not saying the Mac Pro does not work for you and may other people. That has never been my stance.
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[Oliver Peters] “Very few professionals are going to go away from a mainstream PC if they go Windows, which generally means Dell or HP.”
I sure you’re right about that Oliver but I’d like to advocate to anyone looking to upgrade their system that a custom built PC is definitely a viable option. Naturally there’s a number of variables that can potentially come into play but if one does their homework on compatible components and proper set up ( The Creative Cow and Adobe Hardware Forum being two of the best resources) it shouldn’t scare anyone away to build their system from scratch.
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[Shane Ross] “the only thing keeping me running Apple is the damned ProRes deliverable. “
That was the last item keeping me tethered to my mac as well but throughout 2017 I’ve been delivering DNxHD and more recently MXF OP1a. I think the pro res requirement will soon be replaced with these equal options.
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[Oliver Peters] “Sure. But there are also plenty of PC users opting for Macs. Ironically, IBM offers their staffers Macs as a work machine option. That’s because the company analysis has shown better cost/benefit ratio with the Apple platform versus PCs. Mainly because IBM has fewer tech support (software and hardware) issues with their deployed Macs. The discussion cuts both ways.”
That’s true, I do a lot of work with IBM and I see large amounts of MacBook Pros at the various offices I visit!
I didn’t think that a post about Macs on an FCPX forum would generate so much discussion about PC’s
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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Sigh. Someone asks a question about iMac Pro and somehow the topic is brought on to building your own PC. Anyone who is considering buying an iMac Pro is not in the slightest bit interested in building something themselves.
Also, Oliver’s point about cost/benefit ratio is not a straw man if you are pushing the agenda of cheaper is better. It is totally relevant.
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[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] “Does it offer a better bang for the buck than a $1,600.00 dollar gaming PC?””
Not with FCPX (this is an FCPX Forum) because it can’t run it. Also if you want to run PPro and AFX on this “gaming” PC it’s also going to cost you an extra $300 in the first year and then another $1200 in the next two years for a CC subscription.
Plus the fact that any Mac still has a reasonable resale value after 3 years, the gaming PC will be worth squat.
I do understand the point Andy is making but there’s more to it than just cost. I built my own PC’s for years when I used to edit on Premiere, and to be honest I probably would again if I just used Premiere Pro, Resolve and AFX, but I don’t, I prefer using FCPX primarily which is why I asked the question in the first place. 🙂
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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