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I’M IN BIG TIME TROUBLE!! – Need to nest two sequences w/ different Vid Rates
Hello and please help to all,
I have my creative director and owner of the production company coming over right now to look at this final piece.
It is a travel view of the Turks and Caicos Islands. The final needs to have the Main Feature, that has snips and pieces of all of the islands. Then in the same sequence, 5 different resorts which have their own projects and sequences for each.
I took over this project for a student that went back to school, so I did not build most of the projects files. All of the Footage is DVCProHD shot 1080, 23.98 with the Pana HDX900.
Problems:
-My Main Feature project’s sequence is 29.97, and all of the footage is 23.98
-The smaller spots that the client wants right after, are all 23.98 sequences with 23.98 footage
-I tried to put one of the smaller spot’s sequences in the Main Feature sequence and FCP gave me a message stating “Operation not allowed. You Cannot nest sequences with different editing timebases.”
-So I tried making a new sequence with the 23.98 preset, copy/ paste my Main Feature into the new sequence. The render time said it would take an hour for an 8min piece. Not that bad, but now, all of my maps have been squeezed to 4×3, and I can’t see/view any of my text or graphics. Huhh??? That’s a bit weird.
-Then I tried to go the other direction and copy/paste the smaller spots into my Main Feature, and the same thing happened.
After reading this novel I hope that someone smarter than I has some advise for me. I drastically need your help. This has to be in a hard drive by 7am tomorrow morning.
Thanks for your responses.
Beau
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10 Replies
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Sounds like your footage was captured wrong for the opening.
Consider recapturing @ 23.98 so everything lines up.
What codec are you working in? How’d you capture the footage? Why is it 4×3? did you set up a 4×3 timeline?
Jeremy
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Jeremy,
All of this footage was shot with the HDX900. But the footage was captured into FCP with the Firestore. I can’t think of the maker, but tapeless Firestore 100. So, recapturing is not an option, nor do I think it is needed. The footage is 23.98, it is only the sequence that is 29.97.
But yes, with FCP 6 asking if you want it to build the sequence according to the first clip dropped into the timeline, I think the former editor most of put a 29.97 clip, from somewhere, and viala, 29.97 sequence. And 2 months later here I am. And also with FCP 6’s open timeline, it allowed it.
I have been doing some test with trying to configure the correct sequence. Is copying and pasting at all possible?
Thanks for your help Jeremy, please respond with any comments.
Beau
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[beb850] “Is copying and pasting at all possible?
“If the footage is in fact 23.98, then yes, you should be able to copy the 29.97 sequence clips into the new 23.98 sequence. Make sure that you have a DVCPro HD 1080p 23.98 timeline set up before doing this.
Jeremy
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So, I finally got the settings correct. But now, by copying and pasting from the 29.97 sequence to 23.98 sequence, all of my edits have been pushed, or pulled a large amount.
And I think I am understanding it correctly, By taking the 29.97 sequence (which I don’t think it matters that they are 23.98 originally, they are now 29.97 because they have been rendered a hundred times in a 29.97 sequence), so now that they are in the 23.98 sequence, each in/out point has been pulled back 5.99 frames each time.
Damn! Could this be correct? Well I don’t have time to ask. I am now trying something else and please respond if you have any comments or suggestions at all.
I am now exporting the sequence as a QT mov at as DVCProHD 23.98. Maybe this will work? I don’t know. Then I will try to import this back into a new sequence for the final.
Jeremy, thanks again for your response. If any one else has ever had this issue or any suggestions please let me know.
Beau
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I just did a very simular thing. I exported my AVCHD footage QT using DVCPRO HD setting. I then imported them back into my browser and onto the sequence in order to use a multiclip of AVCHD and DVCPRO HD clips and it worked.
Hopefully it will work for you.
eric
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Well I just now tried it, and…..
Crap!! I have a split second black frame every so often. It seems like it is a pattern of black frames. Like the missing frames are now black.
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It sounds like time is of the essence for you, but if I were in your shoes I would start with a new sequence that matched your footage’s settings exactly. Select all clips in the original sequence and copy paste them to the new sequence. I would also make sure your editor didn’t add any conversion filters or plugins to the clips to help them match the old 29.97 setting. toggle on and off the visibility buttons for all the video tracks in the new sequence to get rid of any old render files and re-render the whole thing.
Good luck,
Shiloh
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Try shaking the render files loose before copying and pasting, the easiest way to do this is to select the whole timeline then hit control-b, then hit control-b again (this disables then renables all the clips). You could also delete all the render files, but then you loose them forever.
Perhaps you will want to duplicate the rendered timeline before doing this to keep a safety.
Jeremy
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If you have t no time and money, conform it from 29.97 to 23.98 using Cinema Tools.
If you have time and $100, try: https://nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/GFilmConvert.htm
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As you’ve found out, FCP won’t let you nest 23.98fps into 29.97fps. Also, if you have a 23.98fps movie, FCP won’t convert it to 29.97fps properly when you put it into the sequence. FCP only adds correct 3:2 pulldown on playout to tape, if at all.
So, solution is to add 3:2 pulldown either by outputting your sequences to tape – via a Kona or BMD card, or over firewire to DV. Or, use one of my plugins in the conversion pack to do it as a render process. You’ll have to make a movie of the sequence you wish to convert, then you can render in correct 3:2 pulldown.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP
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