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Illustrator turns 25 today. Thoughts on it, Luddites and FCP X
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I have not used iMovie so I can’t tell you”
iMovie has favouriting, filtering and keywording (based on automatically detecting content) which are essentially indistinguishable from their FCPX counterparts. The step up to FCPX strikes me as being trivial.
That’s all.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “iMovie has favouriting, filtering and keywording (based on automatically detecting content)”
So that’s it? You can say “this is my favorite” or can you say “Simon, good take” on a range? Then search for all “good takes” or make a smart collection on “good take”?
Or are you saying that this is all automagically generated?
And does it have the metadata viewer with which to rename your clips?
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[Jeremy Garchow] ” You can say “this is my favorite” or can you say “Simon, good take” on a range? Then search for all “good takes” or make a smart collection on “good take”?”
Hard to explain if you haven’t actually looked at the app, but yes – the favouriting is identical to FCPX. That’s identical, as in “identical”.
My point is that going from favouriting to “smart collections” and the rest is truly trivial and non-significant and hence the “amazing originality” of FCPX is really a bit of a chimera that is distracting us from how pitifully slowly and unsatisfactorily Apple are moving forward with this “exciting new tech”.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Those who are using FCPX, and generally like it, they can “see” the potentials of it… There are those who have used FCPX, don’t like it or it doesn’t fit their workflow, and can only see it for what it is today in the here and now. So, yes, you are all right. FCPX is simultaneously kludgedly amazing, and not working.”
Jeremy, I agree wholeheartedly. This is a great summary of much of the debate here.
I’ve said before that I see tons of potential with FCPX — but right now, that potential is pretty much all I see. Apple broke trust when threw away something that did work reasonably well and replaced it with something that might work amazingly well, someday.
I don’t disagree with Bill D. about what FCPX could be. I’m just not sure that’s what it will be.
I do agree with Simon U. that all the updates we’ve seen so far could well have originally been slated for launch, which would mean that all the rapid development we’ve discussed could also be delayed development.
I’m not writing FCPX or Apple off entirely, but I need to see more before I’ll believe like I used to.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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show me a screen grab?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “show me a screen grab?”
Gives you the overall idea …
Simon Ubsdell
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Ok.
Doesn’t look like FCPX to me, but it’s just a screen grab.
We’ve talked about this before where iMovie has been the “proof of concept” but FCPX is the maturation of imovie’s concepts.
It’s taken a long time because FCPX is new code and not exactly the same.
We can argue about it until the cow’s put down their keyboards.
What Bill says is right, what Walter asks is right.
If one doesn’t like it, other NLE companies have filled the gaps nicely and will continue to do so.
FCPX does work differently on the event side than anything out there. No, not all of it is available to the outside world, and who knows if it ever will be. Those that think it will, will continue, those that don’t will move on, an the rest will stick with 7 until they physically can’t.
It’s a mad world, but life goes on.
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[Herb Sevush] “The traffic on this forum is in no way a proof of any intrinsic merit to X, merely to the dominance of Legacy in the NLE market.”
If that’s true Herb, then we should have seen all the traffic here migrate to the Premier and Vegas, and AVID boards.
Legacy EOL has been a fact for the best part of a year. Plenty of time for people to have left it for another program.
There’s absolutely no reason for them to come here to discuss X if it’s such a dog.
People who hang here are a lot of things, but stupid isn’t typically one of them.
And you’re implying that they are so dumb that they want to hang around and discuss “dead” software or simply re-live the great X mistake – rather than getting along with their lives and their new choices.
Sorry, but that view is pure BS.
If you look back carefully on the posts here. it’s about half a dozen folks who keep trashing it. And about the same number of us who regularly praise it. We’re not getting legions of new commenters. NOR are we loosing much steam.
I’d argue that the health of this board is ABSOLUTE proof of the “intrinsic” merit of X. It’s sparked and generated the largest on-going on-line debate of NLE design, structure and use that any of us have ever seen. Some of us argue. Most just watch.
And quietly, X keeps gaining new users every day according to the sales stats.
Another rev or two (if they are as useful as the last ones) and the program continues to grow in functions and stability – and then we have a whole new game.
And consider this, as important new hardware and OS improvements are released in the Apple world – the FCP-X development team – being on the INSIDE after all, will be able to take advantage of those before the software teams from other vendors.
So unless you want to make a bet that Windows 8 (the other teams future bet) will debut with a version of Premier or Vegas or AVID that meets all your pro needs – it might be smart to keep an eye on the team that’s recently significantly “future proofed” their NLE approach with all that shiny new code.
If five years from now, we’re all on smaller, tablet based OS devices, I’m willing to bet that Apple has better touch screen video editing than Redmond.
But these are just guesses – nobody I know has an actual functioning crystal ball.
But it will be fun to watch it all unfold.
Maybe I’ll see you at NAB.
If so I’ll buy the first round.
Peace.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Bill Davis] “As always I’m going to try to ignore Mr. Weiss’s personal attacks and see if there’s some actual meaning inside this.”
[Bill Davis] “The “dribble” comment is self evident personal hostility. Fine.”
[Bill Davis] “At some point, Mr. Weiss will stop focusing on ME and focus on providing examples of why he feels my opinions are wrong. But we’ll obviously have to wait longer.”
Sorry, but there’s really nothing personal about it. And, it has nothing to do with our difference of opinion. It’s your writing dude. Stop all the atrocious over-convincing, please, and I’ll stop responding to it. Sorry Bill, but there are just way too many “notes”.
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[Bill Davis] “If that’s true Herb, then we should have seen all the traffic here migrate to the Premier and Vegas, and AVID boards. “
Go check out the PPro board and you’ll find a bunch of the names that used to pop up here last spring.[Bill Davis] “Legacy EOL has been a fact for the best part of a year. Plenty of time for people to have left it for another program. “
Actually, it’s not. I want to change, but I’m still committed to Legacy for now. I was hoping to be able to switch before June, when we start our next season, but that’s dependent on what happens in April. It’s possible, though I am loath to admit it, that I will still be on Legacy for another year. I don’t think I’m that rare a case.[Bill Davis] “People who hang here are a lot of things, but stupid isn’t typically one of them.”
No, it’s precisely because the people who come here aren’t stupid that I like to come here. As you may have noticed from various threads some people want to rename this forum to something more general that reflects that very large net of concerns under discussion. As time goes on, X itself seems to me to be a smaller part of the ongoing dialogue.[Bill Davis] “If you look back carefully on the posts here. it’s about half a dozen folks who keep trashing it. And about the same number of us who regularly praise it. We’re not getting legions of new commenters. NOR are we loosing much steam.”
This is true of the last 6 months or so, but we have lost a lot of the original posters. Check out the all the names that were here last summer – where have they gone?[Bill Davis] “I’d argue that the health of this board is ABSOLUTE proof of the “intrinsic” merit of X. It’s sparked and generated the largest on-going on-line debate of NLE design, structure and use that any of us have ever seen.”
You’d argue and I’d disagree. I’d argue that if this product was released by Boris or Grass Valley you’d never have heard of it, much less used it. I’d further argue that if Apple had released this product concurrent with ongoing support of Legacy this “debate” forum would be unnecessary. This forum is testament to the power of Apple and the dominance of FCP. The Techniques forum is proof of the merit of X, and that forum is quite busy indeed.[Bill Davis] “as important new hardware and OS improvements are released in the Apple world – the FCP-X development team – being on the INSIDE after all, will be able to take advantage of those before the software teams from other vendors.”
Now there’s a laugh if ever I heard one. That was the concept that made me buy Legacy in the first place, and we can see how well that paid off. Walter, Craig and Jeremy are going on and on about how the OS team and the Pro Aps people never even talk to one another and your claiming that relationship is an advantage for Apple? It’s like the last year never happened. If this past year is what it’s like to be on the inside, I shall endeavor to stay as far outside as I can henceforth.[Bill Davis] “If five years from now, we’re all on smaller, tablet based OS devices, I’m willing to bet that Apple has better touch screen video editing than Redmond.”
My best guess is that in 5 years I will be editing on Linux boxes and saying a pox on both their houses.[Bill Davis] “Maybe I’ll see you at NAB. If so I’ll buy the first round.”
Wish I could make it but it’s not to be this year. You’ll have to drink for the both of us.Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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