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I wish FCPX adopted these Premiere Pro features
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[Bill Davis] “No damn reason to be happy about stuff like this, is there?”
I don’t think anyone has ever questioned your happiness with X though my joke was about the ‘Apple Faithful’ in general (not anything specific to editing or even software).
There is a long history of Apple releasing products without certain features, then the Apple Faithful mount a vocal campaign about how said features are unneeded. Apple later releases a revision which now includes the previously missing features, and the Apple Faithful trumpet the importance of those features and how no one has ever done them better than Apple. Wash, rinse, repeat. I’ve amassed my own pile of Apple gear over the last 15yrs or so but there are most certainly times where people are saying how awesome the butt-nekkid emperor’s new clothes are.
update for clarity.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Wash, rinse, repeat.”
Bingo!!! For some reason those who drink the Koolaide tend to become rather forgetful – it’s kind of like the date rape drug. Just beware when that guy you know from the forums offers to buy you a drink at NAB.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los AngelesDavid is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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It’s not like Apple is selling snake oil. They have some very good hardware, very good software and continue to set the standard for a cohesive ecosystem/gilded cage (depending on your POV) but some people just get dang near religious about it. And it’s interesting to see how it bleeds into the mainstream (people that don’t keep an eye on tech as a hobby). For example, when the Apple Watch launched I heard many people talk about it like Apple had invented the smart watch even though smart watches had already been around for a few years. The mindshare Apple has is off the charts.
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>[Andrew Kimery] “Wash, rinse, repeat.”
>Bingo!!! For some reason those who drink the Koolaide tend to become rather forgetful – it’s kind of >like the date rape drug. Just beware when that guy you know from the forums offers to buy you a >drink at NAB.
>David Roth Weiss
>Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
>David Weiss Productions
>Los AngelesWow. I do believe my peeps and I in the Apple Fan Club have just been compared to serial rapists.
Do you realize that if you can just attribute to me a clear pro-Nazi reference – and post something about my hating cats – you’ll have completed the internet scorn trifecta?
Impressive work. Really.
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[Bill Davis] “Wow. I do believe my peeps and I in the Apple Fan Club have just been compared to serial rapists.”
I can’t speak for David but I think you’ve been compared to the ones receiving the spiked drinks not the ones doling them out (i.e. drinking Apple’s Kool-aid makes you forget Apple’s missteps). I guess you could be drinking the Kool-aid and serving it, but that doesn’t seem like a good plan because eventually you’d forgot what you were doing and just wonder off leaving a bunch of unserved Kool-aid. What do the kids say on the street? Don’t get high on your own supply? The current Kool-aid analogy is a bit messy though…
Anyone else surprised the Kool-aid brand was able to survive Jonestown (especially since the negative connotation of ‘drinking the Kool-aid’ is still around to this day?
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I don’t think apple knew what they were doing with X. I think they invoked a number of aspirational database operations as a parlour game inside an incredibly powerful company and they can’t shake it off. FCPX is never going to be real. The update pace is lunacy. all anyone has seen in over two years is a library container and a ludicrous conceited 3D text engine. Everyone is standing around expecting the second coming.
the fact that apple devoted their engineering efforts over a cycle to a 3D text engine means the whole thing is a joke in a sense. The programme is lunacy. There will never be bussing, programmable roles, or any of that – apple are doing anything on their whim in an afternoon. It’s a ridiculous piece of software.
they will try to keep legitimacy as far as they can with a piece of software that is built to die over the next three years. They don’t view their role as continuously tending a professional’s needs. What they try to do is make an initial statement, round it out with multi-cam, and go do other things. Like build cars.
FCPX is their last ever half assed attempt at pro-software. They couldn’t update it regularly if they tried. No one anywhere thinks FCPX is real.
“I think this is as honest an assessment as I’ve seen over the past 2 years.
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[Alex Hawkins] “I think this is as honest an assessment as I’ve seen over the past 2 years.”
I think this is as ludicrous an assessment as I’ve seen over the past 2 years.
There. Fixed that for you.
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[Jeff Markgraf] “I think this is as ludicrous an assessment as I’ve seen over the past 2 years.
There. Fixed that for you.
“Hey I saw what you did there…
I’m just waiting for 12.2.2.1. I just know it’s gonna kick some heavy ass!!
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[Jeff Markgraf] “I think this is as ludicrous an assessment as I’ve seen over the past 2 years. There. Fixed that for you.”
Aindreas makes this point: “The update pace is lunacy. all anyone has seen in over two years is a library container and a ludicrous conceited 3D text engine.” He compares about two years of Apple feature development with about two years of Adobe feature development, and notes that Adobe ships a lot more in the same amount of time.
“FCPX isn’t real” may be a ludicrous assessment in a forum full of people happily using, but surely there was more substance to his post than that.
Has Apple met your expectations with the pace and focus of development? If Apple keeps that same pace over the next two years, will you still be happy?
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Actually, I don’t think there was much actual substance. Lots of amusing AG words (he does have a wonderful way with a phrase!), but not much to say.
I don’t think apple knew what they were doing with X. I think they invoked a number of aspirational database operations as a parlour game inside an incredibly powerful company and they can’t shake it off. FCPX is never going to be real.
C’mon. Apple didn’t know what they were doing? A parlor game? That’s not analysis, that’s click bait.
…a library container and a ludicrous conceited 3D text engine.
I think we can all agree the current library structure was a much-needed correction. This isn’t news, It is, however an important course correction that came directly as a result of user feedback (I’m talking about you, ABC On-Air Promo).
It has been suggested by several here that the 3D text feature no one asked for is likely the base for some wicked 3D capabilities we have yet to see. Let’s hope so. I choose to be optimistic.
There will never be bussing, programmable roles, or any of that – apple are doing anything on their whim in an afternoon. It’s a ridiculous piece of software.
To quote Peter Noone, “second verse, same as the first.” I have no reason to think there won’t be audio bussing, more capable roles, and a number of other frequently-asked-for features. Why wouldn’t there be? Because it hasn’t happened fast enough for Andreas?
software that is built to die over the next three years.
I can’t even begin to respond to this bit of unbridled butthurt. I get it – people are mad at Apple. Boo hoo. I’ve never been able to muster the sheer tidal wave of vitriol directed at, and deserved by, Avid, and direct it at Apple. Not even in the same league.
Look – I get it. FCPX has a lot of feature improvements still left on its plate. And not to deflect, but let’s compare to Premiere Pro for a moment. I’ve finally had to start using PPro for real work after years of being able to ignore it. To say I am unimpressed is an understatement. This is the result of 2+ years of “mad development?” I guess if I were an AE artist who edits, I might be impressed. As an editor who has to work fast and has graphics people to do graphics, I don’t see the big deal. I know FCP Legacy can’t deal with modern codecs and frame sizes, but at least it was fast. Even Avid has finally started to get its act together, and it was always fast within its specific limitations. PPro just feels fiddly and clunky. Nothing fatal or in and of itself a deal breaker, but extra keystrokes and weird combinations that add up to a lot of wasted time and mental energy over the course of a day or a week on deadline. My experience so far with PPro has been buggy and sluggish. FCP 8? Hardly. I’d like to join the Adobe party, but PPro just doesn’t do it for me.
No one anywhere thinks FCPX is real.
Can we just stop with this nonsense? Of course it’s real. Plenty of professional editors doing professional work with it, making professional money. There hasn’t yet been an editor that I’ve sat down with and put X through its paces who didn’t come away impressed. Hard core Avid people, people who mourn the loss of FCP Legacy. In Hollywood, no less.
If AG and his peeps would like to talk about features or editing philosophy, good, bad or indifferent, that would be great. But this last post, and similar posts before it, add nothing to the discussion. They’re not even funny any more.
In answer to your question: no, I am not completely happy with Apple’s FCPX development pace of late. But considering how long I waited for various Legacy features, and especially considering how much I (and many others) have suffered at the glacial pace of Avid development and corporate arrogance over the decades, I think I’ll give Apple a few more years to make good on their promise. I can work with it fine for now, but I surely do with they’d hurry up with the new goodies. Heck, I’d be happy to pay another $299 to make it happen now. Still a bargain.
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