I think the time of the large tower are coming to an end – and the bloated software suits with it :-)

[Chris Harlan]

[Craig Seeman] “Thunderbolt, at this point, is designed for content creators.
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I obviously disagree. But no reason to continue in circles.

[Bret Williams]

It seems like most of your complaints about premiere are being addressed by X or in many cases X already operates like 7. I can adjust multiple clips at once, I can adjust ranges of Keyframes or even create ranges of Keyframes while its playing and adjust. It’s definitely more powerful than 7 in the audio Keyframe arena.

And as for playing back 23.98 as 60i, obviously X does that on the same hardware. In my experience they function the same, although different hardware functions differently. With matrox I had to have my sequence settings match the video out settings. From there, the matrox hardware could add interlacing if you set the output to not follow the sequence. So for example I could have my 720p sequence be output as 1080i and 480i at the same time even. Both interlacing the 60 progressive frames. I would also interlace a 23.98 sequence as 60i if needed or switch it to 720p.

Are you saying that if I took my video out settings and set them as 60i for a 24p sequence that FCP 7 would actually add pull down? If that’s true, then my bmd box just got more powerful because it doesn’t have the conversion abilities in the matrox (or Aja). I don’t need them as I’m never going to tape though.

But in X my capabilities are the same. Albeit I do have to quit the app the change the video out settings in the retrospective control panel.

So, in legacy, what happens when you drop 23.98 in a 1080i timeline? In X, you get perfect interlaced pull down added. I believe the same occurs in Premiere and Avid. Legacy just repeats frames, no interlaced pull down.

So from my point of view, most of the complaints about Adobe don’t seem to exist with X, and I wasn’t aware if the lack of log and transfer type options in Avid. The only relevant issue I heard about X was the tape in/out, which is mostly covered by the hardware folks. I believe AJA is going to be capturing directly to an event soon. But X has great log and transfer type options, and great simplified media management. Only downside there would be lack of some sort of tape batch recapture.

For me, you made the argument for X over Adobe and Avid by pointing out many shortcomings I wasn’t aware of on those platforms. Shortcomings that I’m actually amazed weren’t addressed like 10 years ago. And since legacy just doesn’t really work that efficiently with new formats, mixed media and mixed frame rates, and has been eol’d for 18months, it isn’t much of an option. Transcoding and using plural eyes on our 7D footage just doesn’t have anything on using and syncing it automatically in X. And that’s just one feature that better in X. I think the list of new/improved features in X has finally outgrown the list of features it’s missing from 7.

[Carsten Orlt]

[Frank Gothmann] “It’s not just about speed, it’s also about compatibility. Atto’s latest adapters (ExpressSAS H6F0 GT) won’t even work in a 4x slot anymore, it needs 8x.
Other cards will follow, it is just a question of time.”

And I think it’s on list as being compatible: https://www.sonnettech.com/support/charts/thunderbolt/index.html
If of course this is the one you are talking about 🙂

Happy editing

[Carsten Orlt]

You’re so dramatic :-))

I actually think it doesn’t matter as Apple is co-inventor of Thunderbolt and if they ever build their own chips they implement it on them too.

Happy editing

[Bret Williams]

PIOPs is actually a perfect example of how Apple isn’t just listening, it’s advancing and thinking forward beyond what they’re “putting back.” If Adobe thinks Apple is just finally getting around to “putting back” features, then they need to rethink their own strategy. They be playing catch up forever.

PIOPs is persistent in and out points. X didn’t keep your in and out points. Mainly I think they couldn’t figure out the way to implement it. But now, you can have multiple in and out points on a clip. What other NLE does that without some sort of sub clipping?

Just about every feature that we waited to have re-implemented has been done so with some sort of advancement / upgrade. Even the missing drop shadow came back with all sorts of cool perspective features. Obviously multicam got an upgrade.

[Carsten Orlt]

[Bret Williams] “For me, you made the argument for X over Adobe and Avid by pointing out many shortcomings I wasn’t aware of on those platforms. Shortcomings that I’m actually amazed weren’t addressed like 10 years ago. And since legacy just doesn’t really work that efficiently with new formats, mixed media and mixed frame rates, and has been eol’d for 18months, it isn’t much of an option. Transcoding and using plural eyes on our 7D footage just doesn’t have anything on using and syncing it automatically in X. And that’s just one feature that better in X. I think the list of new/improved features in X has finally outgrown the list of features it’s missing from 7.”

I was thinking the same but didn’t dare to write it 🙂

I wonder if at one point Adobe has to rewrite Premiere because the underlying media management is not powerful enough as it was in 7, but I’m of course just teasing Dennis here as I have no software engineering knowledge 🙂
Avid of course never had this particular problem, they are only stuck in a very old UI and related functionality which they can’t escape because they have too many customers to loose if they change it.

But hey if it works for what you want to do who cares about the details of a particular package. Luckily we can choose. Though arguing about it is just too much fun for us geeks 🙂

Happy editing

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Frank Gothmann] “It’s not just about speed, it’s also about compatibility. Atto’s latest adapters (ExpressSAS H6F0 GT) won’t even work in a 4x slot anymore, it needs 8x.
Other cards will follow, it is just a question of time.”

I’ll wait. I can go plenty fast in terms of drive speed with thunderbolt connected to high speed data networks with machines that I simply couldn’t a year or two ago.

There are SAS cards that do work with Thunderbolt today and I would be surprised if that card didn’t work in an enclosure.

GPU or parallel processing, is a separate issue at this point, mostly from an OS perspective.

Although, if you look around, certain things are possible with thunderbolt and external GPUs, but nothing to bet the farm on quite yet.

Jeremy

[Frank Gothmann]

[Carsten Orlt] “And I think it’s on list as being compatible: https://www.sonnettech.com/support/charts/thunderbolt/index.html
If of course this is the one you are talking about :-)”

It’s not on the list (It’s the card with the GT extionsion, it’s a PCe3 8x card) and it doesn’t work.

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[Chris Harlan]

I’m thinking I’d go for this as my new bay.

https://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/12/03/166230794/the-next-workplace-behind-the-wheel

[Michael Phillips]

I agree that Apple is the first to license, implement, and get it to market, but I believe that it is an Intel invention.

Michael