I recommend everyone watch the entire SuperMeet “sneak”

[Aindreas Gallagher]

yessss – but you know what I mean – this all useless wittering on my part – I’m just basically curious if scrubbing material outside the timeline is restricted to the filmstrips – they’re awfully small – what if its ten odd minutes of interview material – is that going to be broken up over ten or twenty small film strip cells – almost certainly not I suppose, I just haven’t seen anything but that as a solution from the demo..

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

no fair ball – and when submitting to here – I’m an fcp head who, for instance, only learnt how to deal with multiclips in anger properly in the last three months, i’m that half baked – I’m also not looking to flame a soul but – well basically – brass tacks – if the filmstrip is the new viewer area, and there is no independent clip viewer that exists independently for large frame view jkl and in and out point/mark setting, FCP as a serious tool is in weird and serious jeopardy. And the point about apple is – they may well not care a whit: they’re off skating for the five year societal puck.

it may run like a flaming horse into online media and the great new open fields – but as someone pointed out – an apple event is like the federal reserve press conference, what they don’t say is as important as what they do say – and this presentation featured only the filmstrip, there was no dedicated clip viewer, there was no way to set in and out points prior to stamping to the timeline, and the omission of all these basic actions from the headline event has to mean something? Apple have to have known these points would be scarifying. You could (nightmarishly) argue that they are bending the entire notion of editing as currently understood (and painfully realised) to appeal to casual new entrants from the consumer software they currently provide.

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[Roland Manuel]

[Aindreas O Gallchoir] “brass tacks – if the filmstrip is the new viewer area, and there is no independent clip viewer that exists independently for large frame view jkl and in and out point/mark setting, FCP as a serious tool is in weird and serious jeopardy”

I didn’t see any Plugins on the demo, I can only assume they are not supported anymore.

Seriously I can’t see them spending this amount of time and resources only to remove one of the most vital sections. They must have consulted with one or two actual editors at some point and can you see any of them saying “Yeah Steve, you must be a genius, we’ve never used it anyway”. In FCP7 you can shut the clip viewer down if you don’t need it for say … more screen real estate for demonstration of timeline and final screen only!

We can still blame this on Apple though, for not releasing enough information for us, so we have to get a little neurotic about what we have got. Though now I look a little closer, was that a spelling mistake I can see on the GUI, if I drag it into FCP and use a little Sharpening plugin I reckon I can reduce the youtube film grain a little!

:¬) I smile just incase someone takes me too seriously.

Roland

[Gabe Thorburn]

After two days I feel much better about FCP X after learning that there is in-fact a traditional viewer / canvas. And also I heard that Apple will have a way to work in a traditional FCP timeline. I don’t have official sources for this, but it makes sense.

[Michael Gissing]

[Roland Manuel] “I can only assume”

Always a mistake to assume anything from a beta demo.

[Eric Jurgenson]

That’s good. Seems like they should have mentioned that.

[Mark Suszko]

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[Gabe Thorburn]

I was thinking the same thing. If you think of the sneak peak as a presentation of new features only and not an official release presentation then it all makes sense. I don’t think they realized how much their presentation would freak people out.

Also, as Larry Jordan pointed out, the purpose of this presentation was to get feedback and to see if we like it or hate it. He said the build of the software he saw at a private meeting in Cupertino two months ago was the same. I’m sure the feedback given in that meeting two months ago was that the traditional way of editing with a viewer/ canvas and with the traditional timeline is important to many users.

We’ll see how it looks like when it’s released.

[Simon Hustings]

Thanks for the heads up David!

It certainly looks like a big step forward.. but as ever, it’ll be hard to tell until we actually get to drive it ourselves. The magnetic timeline looks interesting as do the timing controls and dynamic waveforms. I’ve always been a little wary of 1.0 releases though so I think I’m going to stick with cautious optimism for now! (and set aside a mac for testing purposes!)
I will be interested to see how FCP X handles the system architecture. Will it still be hard drive based or will it be project based? The ‘Final Cut Pro Documents’ folder works well for tape based media, but there was a definite slant in this presentation towards tapless media, which as we all know, never makes it into the Capture Scratch folder. I wonder if FCPX will allow for a more dynamic project based folder/scratch structure where all media from any source will end up in the same location? (Or whatever the user desires)

I also hope Apple are in cahoots with Lynda.com or Larry Jordan etc for the roll out as it would be extremely useful to have access to some decent video tutorials to help us through the early transitional period.

“Is it me or do I spend half my life watching little grey bars turn into little blue bars??”

[Andy Mees]

[Simon Hustings] “I also hope Apple are in cahoots with Lynda.com or Larry Jordan”

Don’t know about “cahoots” but its clear that Larry Jordan is a favorite son at the moment, so you should be fine for all your tutorial needs when the time comes.

Cheers
Andy