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I keep reading this camera will record onto miniDV?
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[Vincent Rice] “Ok, I give up.”
Don’t give up. In a few days we may find out you’re the one who’s “right”. 🙂
I don’t mind being wrong. After all, “practice makes perfect”. >cough< This is going to be a _very_ interesting NAB! All the best, - Peter Just a friendly reminder to all: Please consider filling-in your COW user profile information so we have a better idea who you are, where you're from, and so forth. It's the friendly thing to do. Thanks!
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[Peter DeCrescenzo] “… So why is it such a stretch to understand why the AG-HVX200 shouldn’t include DV25 & miniDV capability? What law of marketing or common sense does it violate? _Especially_ when we’re talking about technology which is essentially _free_ to manufacture, and is also so highly profitable for a large percentage of its potential customers. …”
Hee hee!
Feel free to rearrange contractions, letters, words and various parts of speech throughout my messages. 😉
It may actually improve on my writing, and is unlikley to detract from whatever the heck I was trying to say in the first place. Darn if I know. 8)
All the best,
– Peter “Pressing some of the right keys some of the time” D.
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[Peter DeCrescenzo] “Now I turn things around and ask you: Why would anyone record DV25 on P2 cards __in most cases__ when it’s so much cheaper to use miniDV tapes instead? “
I would *never* record to DV tape unless I had to; if what I was shooting could be recorded to the card instead, I’d do that every time.
Several reasons:
1) insanely better workflow. The footage is pre-digitized! You can instantly (and I do mean instantly) review any clip. Need to check continuity? Was the briefcase in their right hand or left hand in that other scene? Just play it back. Need to match scenes, shadows, screen direction, etc? Just play it back. No hunting, rewinding, fast forward, rewind, play, “oops –wrong take”, fast forward again, etc… and, when doing that, how many times might someone forget to scan back to the end of the tape… in other words, how many times might someone accidentally tape over good footage, because they were reviewing other footage? I know I’ve done it, and I doubt there are many shooters who haven’t.2) Pre-roll. With the card, you can be buffering footage even before you tell the camera to roll. With tape, if you’re standing there waiting for your interviewee to get his toupee on straight, and a UFO lands behind him, you’ll have to grab your camera, stab the record button, wait for the heads to thread up, and miss the first 10 seconds or so. With recording to P2, it’s all already recorded — it’s pre-buffered. You just have to press “record” and it’ll preserve the prior 10 seconds (or whatever duration you specify… you can have it pre-buffer the entire contents of the card if you wanted!)
3) Dropouts! Dropouts dropouts dropouts. I just spent 5 days shooting in the desert, and on two of those days it was very windy. On those windy days, we were *PLAGUED* with dropouts. I’d say two or three per minute, and not just the little “sparkly” dropouts, but those big nasty venetian blind dropouts. We’d have to take the camera into a car, shut all the doors & windows, run the cleaning tape a couple of times, and then go back to shooting, where we’d get maybe 10 minutes before MORE DROPOUTS. Recording to P2, the footage would have been pristine every time.
4) Lower overall cost. Assuming you’ve already *bought* at least one card, which everyone will do, then you don’t need to re-buy tape. For commercial gigs, test shots, basically anything other than longform events, you can forget about having to buy boxes and boxes of tapes.
Now, with all that said, I totally agree with Peter, the camera *must* have DV tape to be the most viable production tool and moneymaking tool it can be. And I sincerely hope it does have it.
But for my own projects, I’m going to try never to ever use it! 😀
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[Peter DeCrescenzo] “I propose that if the AG-HVX200 is tapeless, then Panasonic should award one to Graeme. Or, if it includes a DV25 miniDV tape transport, then they should instead give one to Barry Green. Oh, wait, Barry’s already got his … 😉 “
I wish that that were true! Sorry, I’m still soldiering on with a DVX, but the HVX is on the must-have list! 🙂
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[Peter DeCrescenzo] “Don’t give up. In a few days we may find out you’re the one who’s “right”. 🙂 “
Oh I am right; I’ve given up trying to explain to you why.
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[Vincent Rice] “Oh I am right; I’ve given up trying to explain to you why.”
Quitter! 😉
OK, I take back what I said. Next week you get the free HVX200 from Panasonic, instead of Barry — if you’re right. 🙂
All the best,
– Peter
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[Barry Green] “… [He says a lot of stuff which makes perfect sense, especially for him, and probably for many other folks, too.] …”
How’s that for world-class quoting? 🙂
[Barry Green] “… Now, with all that said, I totally agree with Peter, the camera *must* have DV tape to be the most viable production tool and moneymaking tool it can be. And I sincerely hope it does have it. …”
Ditto. Especially the part where he says he agrees with me. 🙂
[Barry Green] “… But for my own projects, I’m going to try never to ever use it! :D”
We should have an official “Who Blinks First?” contest: Whoever can hold off longest without using the (possible) miniDV tape transport in the new Panasonic P2 cam wins! 🙂
Who will be tempted back to the dark side first???
Barry, Barry … hands-off that videocassette eject/insert button!!! Put the tape down!!! Easy, easy … 😉
All the best,
– Peter
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Peter, it’s hard to disagree with you in many ways. You’re right, that for many people, not having tape will be a deal breaker, but if they upgraded to any pro HD camera, they’re not going to get DV either. It’s only this new range of semi-pro HD cameras that are offering any kind of backwards compatibility with DV. I think we’re lucky to be getting DV record with this HDX 200 camera at all – and I’d personally have been happy with only DVCProHD. However, the DVCpro50 is a fabulous bonus for anyone still doing SD, as we’ll get real widescreen with low, low compression.
I must be ever-so-tough to even consider a camera that “does everything” in that you’ve got to think of the sales it will canibalize from your other models. I think this means, no matter what Panasonic does, it’s a brave move!!
Graeme
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