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I guess it’s So Long and Thanks for all the Fish!
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“The OS9 Media100i system I used to work could mix audio and do more stacked rt effects than FCP7 ever will be able to. FCP7 is not a fast NLE. It is crazy how fast FCP7 is achieving mythological status.”
I have been a harsh critic of FCP’s many flaws since I started using it about 7 years ago – no mythologizing here. It was never my favorite NLE, that would have been *edit, it was simply the best option for me currently available. It’s greatest strength and it’s greatest weakness was it’s plasticity – it could be most things for most people, but only if you could waddle thru the confusion off it’s design.
“FCPX simply does not have multicam availability yet, so it’s hard to say how it will react in that regard.”
Every other NLE marketed to professionals has this feature, it is as ubiquitous as audio tracks. The mutli-cam in FCP7 was, along with Avid, the best in the market. You might think that multi-cam is a natural place for FCPX’s use of metadata to shine. On the other hand the single viewer nature of FCPX is anathema to multi-cam editing where 2 screens have to be visible at all times.
I am actually quite pissed off by the inappropriateness of the current FCPX for my workflow as it looks like it would be a lot of fun poking under the hood. For now, for me, it’s moot.
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[Walter Soyka] “It looks to me like a relatively elegant workaround for the lack of availability of the right hardware in the first place.”
This is where Apple’s hardware is going to go though, my prediction. Apparently Sonnet is making it happen now. Apple may not get there for another year. Obviously Sonnet believes they will make some money on this in the mean time.
[Walter Soyka] “Yes, this may cover a broader range of needs, but again, it will leave some previously-served niches behind, and some users will have to look elsewhere going forward.”
As would be the case with anything. There’s no one size fits all. Apple is not going to be niche specific. I do think the box they make will be capable of major power but it’ll all be based on adding external devices through Thunderbolt
This
https://9to5mac.com/2011/09/07/peripherals-aplenty-as-apple-preps-to-ship-its-thunderbolt-display
and this
https://www.maclife.com/article/howtos/12_possible_uses_thunderbolt_port
Really point where Apple is headed. I have no problem with that direction at all. I’ll add what I need . . . and so will any interested facility. The modular approach will meet the needs of a larger base from home/office video person to a facility that needs to centralize storage and data control. Need to use PCIe, their are Thunderbolt to PICe expansion boxes. The cost of the base unit will be lower. -
[Herb Sevush] “It was never my favorite NLE, that would have been *edit, it was simply the best option for me currently available. “
That was one program I have never had the chance to experince. It must have been good as many many people seemed to have really liked it.
[Herb Sevush] “Every other NLE marketed to professionals has this feature,”
And so will FCPX, unless they are lying. I highly doubt they are flat out lying, from FAQ:
Does Final Cut Pro X support multicam editing?
Not yet, but it will. Multicam editing is an important and popular feature, and we will provide great multicam support in the next major release. Until then, Final Cut Pro X offers some basic support with automatic clip synchronization, which allows you to sync multiple video and audio clips using audio waveforms, creating a Compound Clip that can be used for simple multicam workflows.[Herb Sevush] “I am actually quite pissed off by the inappropriateness of the current FCPX for my workflow as it looks like it would be a lot of fun poking under the hood. For now, for me, it’s moot.”
I can understand that.
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[Walter Soyka] “As some of these features get added, either by third parties or by Apple, it’ll be interesting to see this debate shift back away from raw system capabilities and limitations and back to the interface choices Apple has made.”
For my self the debate is not on FCP or FCPX limitations, but in the interface and the need to learn a new way to make the same thing.
With FCPX I feel I have to learn a 3D application to make my 2D stuff.
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[Rafael Amador] “For my self the debate is not on FCP or FCPX limitations, but in the interface and the need to learn a new way to make the same thing. “
It’s kind of how a felt in my brief exposure/bout with a Quantel Harry.
FCPX is undeniable a different beast than other NLEs. I don’t think it’ll remain an under-performer though.
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…and another glimpse of what might happen. https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/07/magma-introduces-thunderbolt-pcie-expansion-box/
“My Name is Steve and I’m an FCPX user”
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Sonnet has one as well.
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That article makes me giggle.
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OK, let me try one more time. The more I look at what you’ve written the more I realize there are 2 areas where I agree with you.
[Jeremy Garchow] “My “disagreement” with Herb is that FCPX is not that much different than when DSLRs first came out. It took a while before they became a “standard”.”
I totally agree with that statement. It is a lot like when DSLRs came out – but with one difference. Just because DSLRs impacted the industry through the clever efforts of video afficianados doesn’t mean FCP X automatically will.
[Jeremy Garchow] What do you think FCPX is? It is a public beta test that is hobbled very purposefully. This is Apple’s way. Remember the first iPhone that didn’t have any apps? It was webapps only? Do you think when they released that first iPhone that they new there was going to be an App Store within iTunes? Why do you think they did it that way? Why do you think they just didn’t release the floodgates of the Apps in iTunes store? They publicly test the waters (and make you pay money for it), make sure the foundation is going to hold and then adjust. This is what I see with FCPX.
Your comments on the first iPhone and the App store are a reference to them slowly making their way into the cell phone market. They were at square 1. They didn’t have an established product line there. So of course they took baby steps working their way into territory nobody thought they could take. Once again, with FCP X Apple is starting out at square 1.
So I do agree with you.
And considering just those 2 points, I wonder what’s left to say?
Who goes from owning a market to giving it away overnight, and then gets celebrated for having the insight to regain it?
Especially now in an unpredictable economy, a wealth-base growing almost entirely on gadgets and a virtual marketplace that feeds off those gadgets, and a couple of legal hurricanes brewing with some very tough companies?
Borrowing from the Usual Suspects, “Where’s your head, Agent Kujan?” You seriously think Apple’s getting back into the editing race again? What are they, gluttons for punishment?So, anyway, the DSLR analogy was appropriate in the sense that DSLRs represent something new on the market. But being new doesn’t mean squat – like the Apple Cube or the Titanic. The analogy basically ends there. Only time will tell if this thing grows up or follows Aperture. Meanwhile, Adobe’s looking to double their Premiere software revenue in the next year or so, and Avid is learning the benefits of opening up their hardware list. Edius might learn a lesson or 2 from that as well. I’m really curious about Edius. Did you see the color corrector? 10-Bit? With histograms in each of the control overlays and rotoscoping to boot?
And yes, I do have FCP X sitting on a brand new partition.
But everytime I think about booting into it, I somehow end up in Autodesk Smoke.
You see, it works with my legacy FCP 7 projects.
Exciting times!
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[Glen Hurd] “Just because DSLRs impacted the industry through the clever efforts of video afficianados doesn’t mean FCP X automatically will. “
But of course. Time will tell, and it’s already happening with fcpx.
[Glen Hurd] “Who goes from owning a market to giving it away overnight, and then gets celebrated for having the insight to regain it? “
It’s hard to regain anything these days as everything moves so fast. You could only hope to redefine. Time will tell.
[Glen Hurd] “You seriously think Apple’s getting back into the editing race again? What are they, gluttons for punishment?”
It seems there aren’t entirely out of it. If they were out, why rerelease FCP7? Why release fcpx at all? When they are out, they are out. They cut the cord, announce the denouement and move on. They haven’t done that yet. Yes, it’s a weird release, not very smart, but it’s now history.
[Glen Hurd] “I’m really curious about Edius. Did you see the color corrector? 10-Bit? With histograms in each of the control overlays and rotoscoping to boot? “
Sure did. Looked pretty good.
[Glen Hurd] “But everytime I think about booting into it, I somehow end up in Autodesk Smoke.
You see, it works with my legacy FCP 7 projects.”
If we could buy 4 seats of Smoke, this is where I would look too, but @$15,000 a seat, we probably won’t look that hard.
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