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I could see FCP X being useful for something professional…
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[David Roth Weiss] “To clarify this argument for you and others yet again, the facts are: unnamed sources, allegedly from Apple, are reported to have disclosed that new features will be on the way at some point in time, which has yet to be determined.”
And if that’s not FUD, I’ve never seen it.
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[David Roth Weiss] “new features will be on the way at some point in time,”
“It has been written” that the next feature upgrade will be in about 4 months. Yes, Apple should allow attribution when quoted on this but I suspect the sources are reliable.
Apple should learn how to professionally communicate with professionals but I don’t disvalue or distrust the information I’ve been reading from those who have talked directly to Apple employees about this.
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what? listen here you – that is a rational position to take given apple’s behaviour up to this point. FUD my ass.
I’ll tell you what Chris, there is a tremendous amount of uncertainty and doubt surrounding this software and do you know who has generated it?APPLE.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “what? listen here you – that is a rational position to take given apple’s behaviour up to this point. FUD my ass.
I’ll tell you what Chris, there is a tremendous amount of uncertainty and doubt surrounding this software and do you know who has generated it?APPLE.”
People have built up elaborate theories about Apple’s plans and motivations based entirely on actions that have fairly mundane alternative explanations. Apple’s (entirely normal for Apple) lack of communication about the future of FCP over the last three years or so has allowed those theories to exist, certainly.
But when Apple does start communicating, attempting to cast doubt on those communications though various unlikely scenarios (like Apple having product managers give false information to New York Times columnists) is pretty screwy.
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[Chris Kenny] “And if that’s not FUD, I’ve never seen it.”
Is that the best you can do Chris?
If you can’t present your argument factually here, I certainly wonder how you’re able to do it on the job? On the other hand, as a button pusher by trade, you haven’t had to learn the principals of fact-based writing, debate, or journalism, so I guess that gives you a pass to say just about anything.
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[David Roth Weiss] “If you can’t present your argument factually here, I certainly wonder how you’re able to do it on the job? On the other hand, as a button pusher by trade, you haven’t had to learn the principals fact-based writing, debate, or journalism, so I guess that gives you a pass to say just about anything.”
“Argument by being really patronizing” is not very effective. If people choose to believe Apple is lying to Hodgetts, Studio Daily, Pogue, etc. that’s their prerogative, but it doesn’t seem all that plausible to me.
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[Chris Kenny] ” If people choose to believe Apple is lying to Hodgetts, Studio Daily, Pogue, etc. that’s their prerogative, but it doesn’t seem all that plausible to me.”
That’s your misinterpretation and a complete mischaracterization of my point of view. I never said anyone was lying about anything.
All I ask is that, if you’re going to debate others here, or anywhere for that matter, by repeating a professional reporter’s story who quotes anonymous sources, you need to say just that.
You can’t simply cherry pick convenient parts of reportage and make them sound like official word from on high at Apple simply because it sounds impressive and bolsters your argument. Until a live human being representing Apple officially is willing to release the information you quote, it’s only right in the interest of fairness to attribute it to an unnamed source, not from Apple itself.
Do you understand the difference?
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Los Angeles
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[David Roth Weiss] “That’s your misinterpretation complete mischaracterization of my point of view. I never said anyone was lying about anything. “
You have rejected my use of the word “lying”, but as far as I can tell this is born of the common journalistic refusal to ever use that word. What you’ve said, as far as I can tell, is that the information FCP product managers are conveying to folks like Pogue about Apple’s intent may not represent Apple’s actual intent. That would have to involve something, somewhere, that I would call “lying”, either on the part of product managers, or on the part of whoever within Apple is giving product managers their information.
[David Roth Weiss] “All I ask is that, if you’re going to debate others here, or anywhere for that matter, by repeating a professional reporter’s story who quotes anonymous sources, you need to say just that.”
I have linked to the relevant articles multiple times. I am not making any attempt to hide any information about my sources.
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[Chris Kenny] “I am not making any attempt to hide any information about my sources.
“Yet another non-sequitur – who said you’re hiding anything. What you are doing is cherry-picking those words from the article that suit you and discarding others that don’t. And, you’re now suggesting that it’s acceptable simply because you glue a link somewhere on the page that would ostensibly enable readers to compare the two side by side if they had the will to do so.
Your continued arguments against what are are the commonly accepted principles of attribution speaks volumes. If you don’t even desire the appearance of integrity, that’s sad. I don’t roll that way myself, nor do I know many who do, so thanks for making it perfectly clear. And on that note I will have to say goodbye.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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[David Roth Weiss] “Yet another non-sequitur – who said you’re hiding anything. What you are doing is cherry-picking those words from the article that suit you and discarding others that don’t.”
What am I discarding? Are there other words in the same articles that say Apple won’t add these features? Are there other articles from people who claim to have had direct contact with FCP product managers, that say Apple told them something different?
[David Roth Weiss] “If you don’t even desire the appearance of integrity, that’s sad. “
Just to remind everyone of the context here: apparently I “don’t even desire the appearance of integrity” because I introduced information about what Apple is telling various media outlets into a debate where a bunch of people are spinning theories about Apple’s intent and motivations in an almost complete information vacuum.
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