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How to fill SD dvd with as much information from HD project
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good for you buddy
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I feel fine with my rant towards you because “errrr why” is pointless. What does that do? I clearly stated why I wanted to do it in my post other wise I wouldn’t post. On half o this your right half your wrong. So I do say thank you for telling me whats up and not ignoring me I do appreciate that. You say you asked that because you wanted me to look at it in different angle…which totally thats why i went to forum to find out if I was looking at it wrong which turns out I did and gained three answers to a question. But no help from errr why. adding errr why because mpeg 2 does not encode like that so….I’m sorry two people on this forum feel threatened by my apple cert’s. I mean in no way to damage ego’s or imply I’m better than anyone. as I posted originally I said this to let the posters know that I don’t need the whole run around of what mpeg is because I get it. I just wanted to know can it be opened up further I know what I was taught and I know it was illogical for mpeg to do what I wanted. Several of you get offended that I said well that didn’t help. I got whole bunch of nothing until one dude finally broke it down to exactly what I asked. I don’t throw my title around like i’m awesome or better than you and sorry to make anyone feel that way. I was using the same logic as I do when I call apple “hey dude I’m master certified so you dont need to tell me to try the basics, I did it and just straight answer” and it always worked thought fellow editors would understand.
for potential employers I’ve always gotten work based of my product not my opinions
as for the comment on bullying that guy was not adding anything to forum now I don’t care but someone like that is probably going to pick on someone asking to capture a tape. I take your comments deeply and do think about them. yes i was bully because i yelled at two people i didn’t even mean to in my anger but i stand on errrrr why? is of no value or addition to the problem at hand I’ll keep your words in my head and i learned lesson for my next posts. I am bias to all the times posters made fool of me when I used to ask the basics and yes my one student got absolutely thrown around posting on here so it was wrong for me to lash out in retaliation which i own and i was able to get assistance from the guy I wrongly accused.
but atleast contemplate this…. it’s a forum for helping people to assist in problems when I post every single time I make sure to add to situation in little amount of time wasted. What does it hurt to actually take time to read what they ask and post a comprehensive reply. Or like mr “quote” me to just laugh at it and run that doesn’t help anything.
you have a good day and i appreciate you confronting me and that’s not sarcasm I really do
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Ok that makes sense but then let me ask what field order should it match? Since I’m doing the entire project in HD but going to sd dvd and hd/sd broadcast should I capture HD footage in lower field or sd in upper?
It’s like a cyclone dragging me in. Haha I feel like since HD is higher quality no matter what I should capture and edit in lower so when I go to SD I get best quality out of it and the HD will be better.
DO you know if head ends can take hd in lower? would that cause a problem?
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I would go back and correct the field order issue on the SD material….assuming you have less of it in your project than HD. Field order doesn’t really matter as long as its all the same…..which it’s not.
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Yes it’s only like 5 minutes in each dvd. Ok thank you for your input. So do you think that’s why it looked so low quality on the output? It makes sense because it was all over place but I also feel like I may be doing the mpeg compression incorrectly or it could just be the source capture. I got a dvc pro project from this place and that was defiantly captured incorrectly so I think next project when I build it. The hd source looks ok but I did a burn to dvd on just one clip of the HD and it cam out looking 20% better but still like that aliasing
post been going for while now I appreciate you sticking with me to fix my problem
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Well assuming everything was done correctly, it will look fine since people have been making DVDs for 2 decades now 🙂
So it’s either theres something in your workflow that is off or you’re expecting too much…..it’s impossible to know from here. :).
As an editor, You need to know the complete workflow…..how was it shot? How was it captured? What format are you exporting, ect FCP is very helpful in determining where there’s a short in the process.
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Eric,
Ok thanks a lot for the time. I think its something in the work flow because when I do my projects I don’t get that bad of an output. So I have to assume it has to do with the capture and field order. Im going to go back and run some test now based off what we discussed. I have another one coming up and I have the source tapes now rather than halfway done project and I’ll have to see! Have great day dude.
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The camera looks soft in the screenshot..is the HD material (before a transcode) sharp?
I would edit in a ProRes timeline with the same frame size, pixel aspect, frame rate, and field order you captured in – 1440×1080, 29.97, upper. I would take a Current settings export into Compressor and do all of the conversion there.
If you need to work in a SD timeline (background plate is 720×486, graphics are prebuilt in SD, etc.) I would capture the footage in HD, then drop the HD footage onto the SD timeline, paying the render cost along the way. Final Cut will automatically apply a shift fields filter to handle the field order mismatch when you bring content from the Browser or Viewer down. It won’t do this if you copy/paste. Final Cut will also take care of the scaling and distort. If you turn the quality on the Sequence settings up (notes below) this workflow should look pretty darn good for SD.
Considering the project that’s already cut, I would open the Sequence Settings and be sure the rendering is on best quality for the Motion Scaling and 10 bit High Precision YUV for the color, and unless there’s a lot of pride or client money hanging out there I would call it good. Some projects are worth troubleshooting, and sometimes you’ve put so much time into something you just need to call it good and finish it up.
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Thank you I did try the sd timeline and it didn’t look that much better. Right now it’s acceptable to the clients and with focus groups but I am perfectionist so it’s mainly pride driving me.
Let me ask this, would it make sense in future if my final format is sd dvd and sd broadcast but shot in HD & SD like this project would you capture the HD footage in SD or would you capture true HD and then down convert and shift field order on transcode?
I’ve always wrestled with that idea especially with SD dvd delivery. I’m dslr and have workflow that works great with that but seems the HDV 1440 causes this odd look on output. As I’ve been taught by apple always edit in your output, now if I may go to blu ray I do HD project and deal with this. But since I’m going to sd out I feel like it would be better for me to capture hd to have it then transcode that pro res down to SD 720 lower field.
Or would you suggest doing hd project and afterwards taking all the hd footage and transcoding it to sd into different folder then duplicate the project file and change it all the sd and reconnect the SD footage?
Thanks
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Always keep it HD for the reason I gave earlier…capturing and editing SD just because your final output with be SD will make no difference in the final outcome
You seem to be reallly confused on Alot of basic issues here. You shoot DLSR ( which is 23.98) but you then talk about 1080 I HDV and field orders? Filling up discs space? Always edit as native as possible….this is video 101 stuff. 🙂
Shoot 1080p and edit 1080p….thats 1920×1080 23.98.
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