How to fill SD dvd with as much information from HD project

[Grant Strac]

I have to apologize in my frustration I was talking about adam’s “errr why” that was what I was bitching about not you at all I got the names confused in the list. I totally appreciate that you did answer what I was trying to figure out. Again I got your name mixed up you where not at all wrong or incorrect it was adam that made me angry. I appreciate your time and concern. I didn’t think it would be possible but I wanted to see if I wasn’t seeing an angle. Thank you

[Grant Strac]

I was incorrect when I wrote ryan into my rant and I apologized to him it was adam’s useless statement that pissed me off. But I understand you are correct to answer your question it’s 28:28. Now I did several tests and I jacked the bit rate all the way up to, Maximum 9. and average at 7.5 and that is where I get that final file size of 1.76.

My one problem was answered as to put orphan tracks to fill out the disc but I still am confused why when I encode the hd project I get the smaller file size than the sd encode which comes out three times bigger. As far as I have been taught about compressor and the codecs I think, now I can be incorrect I am flawed as stated above :), but since the file size is so large with hd it’s compressing more information into that particular codec and the sd is closer to the mpeg 2 so it comes out larger…..I think

That is what has me so confused about the sizes. I know it wouldn’t add quality to the final print if I was able to fill out the rest of disc but it just seems like if I where to encode the hd project in a different process maybe I can get it just little larger.

I know that this is incorrect thinking but thanks for taking time

[Grant Strac]

So I have a question for you them.

Would you down convert all HD your footage and edit in the final output format, sd? Or would you still edit in hd and then downconvert afterwards?

I’ve been taught that you should edit in final output. Unfortunately, I was hired when the project was half way done so I was stuck with it as is but I’m thinking about the future project now.

With this project I had the quality issue because they mixed HD & SD. I didn’t catch the interlacing order until the end because I was too wrapped up with getting it done. The final discs came out looking poor. So I am wondering if as been taught downconvert the next project and edit in sd?

I have never had to deal with this mixing process I always delivered in filmed format. So I am not sure which will preserve the best quality for output

[Grant Strac]

I’ll propose this to everyone that’s answered my last question

Would you down convert all HD your footage and edit in the final output format, sd? Or would you still edit in hd and then downconvert afterwards?

I’ve been taught that you should edit in final output. Unfortunately, I was hired when the project was half way edited so I was stuck with it as is but I’m thinking about the future projects now.

With this project I had the quality issue because they mixed HD & SD. I didn’t catch the interlacing order until the end because I was too wrapped up with everything else and I had shitty due date. The final discs came out looking poor. So I am wondering if as been taught downconvert the next project and edit in sd?

I have never had to deal with this mixing formats for broadcast process I always delivered in filmed format & if mixed I delivered web. So I am not sure which will preserve the best quality for output.

For broadcast when I transcoded uncompressed 8bit for sd it looked fine but when it came to the dvd’s it looked so bad. I ended up going back and running test on encoding the hd to sd so the the field order was same straight through but I really didn’t get that much better quality and I assume this is only because in all my rushing I mixed things too many times.

This has been a problem I’ve been asked and contemplated many times. Thanks for help

[Steve Eisen]

[Grant Strac] “I am one of 16 people having masters certification so I am well aware of the technical theory of discs and the mpeg2 stream”

LOL

Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Creative Pro Users Group

[Steve Eisen]

[Grant Strac] “s an apple certified trainer it really bothers me that people come like Ryan come with no additional advice you are wasting your time and mine. If an inexperienced person needs immediate help or myself it is counter productive to not stay with topic and answer the question like Chris. Apple teaches that we should always answer a student’s question. ask things like “well I understand what your asking but it’s really not possible because of this…” Be an adult or don’t answer posts. I get the honor of dealing with the havoc people like you spread into the world by misinforming people or wasting their time causing them to become discouraged and or scared to post on forum like this because might be ridiculed.”

Time for you to have a discussion with Bruce Nazarrian. He can explain everything you need to learn!

Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Creative Pro Users Group

[Grant Strac]

Thanks that was sufficiently on topic to the thread

[Grant Strac]

see i say that so people like you don’t waste time and get to the topic but yet again a second example of jackass that doesn’t add to any thread or help the questioning problem. Your a vice president of a company but your in school yard pushing people around. Why not just add something to the thread answer the questions or propose something of value. This is exactly the problem I have people that I teach one on one and they are terrified to go online and ask a question because they get made fun of or someone trys to make them look like an idiot.

This project i’m working on is about bullying how it’s causing people all around to go to the extreme to try and stop their tormentors and how bad the outcome gets. Perfect for you. I’m sure you treat your employees famously

[Eric Pautsch]

If you shoot HD then edit HD. Once you are done editing, youd down convert to SD and encode from that. Your final product might be SD DVD but lets say someone ask you for a Blu Ray or maybe they might want an HD file for a Film Festival? At this point your S.O.O.L since your master SD.

Using the idea to fill the rest of the disc with dummy info just to say you filled the disc doesnt make a bit of sense. What were you expecting to gain with filling a disc knowing it wont improve the actually product?

[Grant Strac]

hmmm good point. So do you have advice how to deal with the field order problem. I couldn’t quite figure it out. I encoded the hd to sd so the field order was the same and then I transcoded the sd to upper field order and that really didn’t help. The same field order (lower) then put to dvd looked a little better but not as much as I would of liked.

When I do my dslr footage to dvd it looks much better but still has that bar’ed look to it.

I’m at a loss to how to get it to atleast look clear.

This looks like shit I know I’m missing something. All be it I didn’t start the project and this previous place defiantly didn’t set the project up properly but I couldn’t figure out what they did different than what I do when I do project that causes this look. The footage is HDV 1080 60i converted to mpeg2 this is the final out look and it is much worse on dv.