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  • how to export 16 bit color

    Posted by Dale Larsen on June 10, 2010 at 12:07 am

    I have a new client who is using a Media Composer 5 and Digital Rapids Systems for streaming.

    he is requesting that the media I am delivering be in 16 bit color, in any format HD (h264) HDV, DVC Pro HD, or just good old DV/ DVC pro ntsc.

    i have been searching but can’t find anywhere in FCP to adjust color depth.
    the test master I have delivered they say was in 32 bit color.

    can anyone shed some light on this situation.

    thanks in advance

    Rafael Amador replied 15 years, 10 months ago 9 Members · 28 Replies
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  • Gary Adcock

    June 10, 2010 at 12:38 am

    requesting that the media I am delivering be in 16 bit color, in any format HD (h264) HDV, DVC Pro HD, or just good old DV/ DVC pro

    Ummm, None if those formats are 16bit – all are 8bit.

    There is really nothing greater than 12bit LOG in video, and most video is capturd and played back at 8bit like these cocdecs are and rarely if ever does it exceed 10bit.
    The easiest way to achieve 16 bit is via DPX as it is the only universal format with that bit depth.

    gary adcock
    Studio37
    HD & Film Consultation
    Post and Production Workflows for the Digitally Inclined
    Chicago, IL

    https://blogs.creativecow.net/24640

  • Arnie Schlissel

    June 10, 2010 at 12:39 am

    [Dale Larsen] “he is requesting that the media I am delivering be in 16 bit color, in any format HD (h264) HDV, DVC Pro HD”

    These are all 8 bit formats, if he really wants these formats, he’s not going to get 16 bits. If he really wants 16 bits, he’s not going to get any of these formats.

    [Dale Larsen] “or just good old DV/ DVC pro ntsc.”

    Which are SD formats. And 8 bits.

    If your client really wants 16 bits, then he wants a TIFF or DPX (linear color) image sequence. If he can’t use an image sequence, then he can’t use 16 bit media.

    Arnie
    Post production is not an afterthought!
    https://www.arniepix.com/

  • Shane Ross

    June 10, 2010 at 12:44 am

    I’m a little amazed that he is using MC5, seeing as it hasn’t been released yet.

    SO I figure PLANNING on using was the wording (yes, I’m nitpicking)

    Trying to make champagne from dog pee I see…16 bit from HDV? DV? HA!

    Shane

    GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD…don’t miss it.
    Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def

  • Gary Adcock

    June 10, 2010 at 1:03 am

    Trying to make champagne from dog pee I see…16 bit from HDV?..

    ROTFLMAO…

    Shane, dude.

    Stereo HDV has 8bits per channel.
    16 bit for all….

    gary adcock
    Studio37
    HD & Film Consultation
    Post and Production Workflows for the Digitally Inclined
    Chicago, IL

    https://blogs.creativecow.net/24640

  • Shane Ross

    June 10, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Oh, are we adding them up now? Or is that what the producer is doing? I’ve never heard of HDV referred to as 16bit.

    Wait, what channels? Aren’t there THREE channels for color? 4:2:0 of HDV? 8 bit:8-bit:8-bit? Then that wouldn’t be 24bit?

    Sorry, this engineering stuff gets me.

    Shane

    GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD…don’t miss it.
    Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def

  • Shane Ross

    June 10, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Pardon, the first number is the LUMA, and the other TWO numbers are colors (Cb and Cr…thank you Wikipedia). So I guess you add up the 8-bits of the two colors to get you 16-bit color?

    Seems like a producer thing to do.

    Shane

    GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD…don’t miss it.
    Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def

  • Dale Larsen

    June 10, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Ok guys,
    lets focus.
    He stated he was nitrus 5.0 and being upgraded tomorrow. Since I don’t follow Avid, you may be correct.
    Point is he has an avid and a Digital Rapids Systems which is the animal that seem to not like the DV/DVC ntsc SD master I sent him, once he has added titles and exported to the Digital Rapids.

    to make it more odd, he claims that master is in 32 bit color.

    I have a feeling the “post supervisor” is messing up some terms.

    he wants UYVY MODE 16 BIT COLOR DEPTH.

    Need some other theories.
    Dale

  • Bj Ahlen

    June 10, 2010 at 2:17 am

    It sounds like he’s using what was once called an Avid DS Nitris, running on a Windows platform.

    I think the UYVY codec he is asking for is .AVI only, and it doesn’t seem to make any sense for what’s described here.

    Ask him to accept a DNxHD codec deliverable instead, then he can do whatever he wants with it, including rendering the HDV footage to 3×32-bit float OpenEXR or beyond…

    You can download the DNxHD codecs for free from Avid.

    Or if he “upgrades from Nitris to MC5,” he’ll also be able import ProRes Quicktime files using Apple’s free ProRes decoders for Windows.

  • Rafael Amador

    June 10, 2010 at 3:13 am

    When your boss talk about “32 bits”, obviously is not talking about “32 bits per channel”.
    A 32b format is just an 8b per channel RGB or YUV with Alpha (8 x 4 = 32).
    When we talk about “32 Bit Per Channel”, the “PER CHANNEL must be specified.

    The only codec that I found supports YUYV pixels in QT is Sheer. Is 8/10b Y’CbCr 4.2.2. {4}.
    That at 8b depth, makes a “32b file’. Not a 32 b PER CHANNEL file.
    As a delivery format this 8b 422 YUV makes a lot of sense. 16b or 32 b PER CHANNEL makes no sense for delivery.

    In fact the only codec I know it supports 16b PER CHANNEL in QT, is Microcosm, but is RGB.
    FC do not supports 16b PER CHANNEL stuff.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Uli Kunkel

    June 10, 2010 at 3:19 am

    Gary,

    Did you by chance see my last post in the FCP forum about outputting 4:4:4 RGB from with the Kona 3?

    I’ve been getting conflicting information on this. Wondering if you could help.

    Thanks.

    Uli

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