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How much money is FInal Cut Pro X really going to cost?
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[Mark Suszko] “”This sucks, it’s not what I was hoping for, everything is ruined, forever, we have been abandoned by Apple for prosumer toys, dogs and cats, sleeping together… and I’m going to be going over to Avid”.
Avid is very nice, there is nothing wrong with it. Ditto for Premiere, which has had many features more advanced than FCP for some time now.”
When did i say all this? Maybe in your dreams!
Like some of the other members I am also concerned about what this software holds in future for me?
Am i forcing you to make a choice? Are you going to decide which NLE you are going to use just because i told you so? I hope you are grown up enough to form an opinion on your own!
And if you don’t like my talk, just don’t read it. I am not gonna stop saying what i feel like just because you are “troubled” by it.
2.66 GHz 8-core, ATI Radeon HD 4870,
FCS 3, AJA Kona Lhi“The creative person wants to be a know-it-all. He wants to know about all kinds of things: ancient history, nineteenth-century mathematics, current manufacturing techniques, flower arranging, and hog futures. Because he never knows when these ideas might come together to form a new idea. It may happen six minutes later or six months, or six years down the road. But he has faith that it will happen.” — Carl Ally
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Most view “fanboy” as a derogatory term which you used.
I haven’t seen make any substantial comment on the OP and in the above post you asked nothing beyond whether the forum is moderated.There are people here who think there’s a difference between the unknown and wild assumptions not based in any fact.
If you have a point to make, please do.
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Craig
At the onset let me say that I completely disagree with OP’s post.
Since there is not much substantial information available at this point of time about FCP X, all we are going to see is speculation.
Some people want to take cue from the sneak peek and if it does not fit in their scheme of things they would want to move on. Some would like to wait & watch. Some others have more faith in apple and are putting their money on FCP X. What is right for an individual, would be decided by the individual himself.
I don’t understand the urgent need to put a ‘gag order’ on all the negative posts about this piece of software. If at all it shows anything, it shows the nervousness among FCP’s strong editor base.
If ranting about FCP X is mere speculation then even defending it is also the same, at this point of time!
So lets just take it easy because we all are in the same boat here!
2.66 GHz 8-core, ATI Radeon HD 4870,
FCS 3, AJA Kona Lhi“The creative person wants to be a know-it-all. He wants to know about all kinds of things: ancient history, nineteenth-century mathematics, current manufacturing techniques, flower arranging, and hog futures. Because he never knows when these ideas might come together to form a new idea. It may happen six minutes later or six months, or six years down the road. But he has faith that it will happen.” — Carl Ally
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I do think your above post lays it out well but . . .
[Sohrab Sandhu] “I don’t understand the urgent need to put a ‘gag order’ on all the negative posts about this piece of software.”
Some negative posts are based on no information others are based on what was tangibly shown. I think there’s a difference.
Some people have said they have doubts about Magnetic timeline. We saw that function so that’s known. Some would like to turn it off.
Some people don’t like that all this editing shows was without a traditional “Viewer” window that was open simultaneous to the “Canvas.” Some would like the enable a Viewer.
Some have concerns about auto color balancing on ingest.
There are real concerns because we’ve at least seen these features, didn’t like what was shown and would like to alter or disable them.On the other hand the OP said it looks like Studio is dead. There was nothing to indicate that. That’s the wild speculation part.
Not liking interface features we were shown is one thing. Saying something isn’t being supported when there’s been no mention one way or the other is something else.
Basically my own preference would be that people talked about what they did or didn’t like about what was shown. We simply can’t know about the rest. We can make assumptions about the company based on history which is why I started the “discontinues” thread. That’s based on observable history on how Apple handles EOL software products like Shake or the disappearance of LIveType (which was integrated into Motion). At least I’m basing speculation based on history.
I think most people would like to discuss what they saw, not what wasn’t mentioned.
I think most people are trying to asses Apple ProApps future based on past patterns and objectives.
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Anybody notice there was no Tools menu in the interface? I think there are going to be a lot of things missing in this first version of the application. Maybe it just wasn’t in the early version. The demoed version was reportedly the same version shown in February.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP7,” “Basic Training for FCS” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
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[Craig Seeman] “I think most people would like to discuss what they saw, not what wasn’t mentioned”
Thats a matter of how an individual perceives this whole situation. You think it was not mentioned so it should not be discussed however somebody else is upset because he thinks apple is silent because they are abandoning it! Again a matter of perception.
[Craig Seeman] “I think most people are trying to asses Apple ProApps future based on past patterns and objectives.”
I think thats the only smart option right now.
[Craig Seeman] “I think a smaller number of people are assuming negative when there is no information given and that does bother those of us who want to discuss the concrete (as little of it that was shown).”
Why should it bother you? Do you think the credibilty of the FCP X will get eroded even before the release by these speculations? Sorry, I beg to differ.
2.66 GHz 8-core, ATI Radeon HD 4870,
FCS 3, AJA Kona Lhi“The creative person wants to be a know-it-all. He wants to know about all kinds of things: ancient history, nineteenth-century mathematics, current manufacturing techniques, flower arranging, and hog futures. Because he never knows when these ideas might come together to form a new idea. It may happen six minutes later or six months, or six years down the road. But he has faith that it will happen.” — Carl Ally
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[Sohrab Sandhu] “however somebody else is upset because he thinks apple is silent because they are abandoning it! Again a matter of perception. “
That’s why I mentioned the history in the “Discontinues” thread. Apple was not silent when the EOL’d Shake. They didn’t mention LiveType because it was rolled into Motion.
My conclusion if something will be EOL’d they will either announce it or roll it into some aspect of FCPX. That’s been their history.
Even when they stopped development on something such as iDVD and iWeb, while not in the Mac App Store both are still included in the online boxed set from the Apple Store.
That’s why my conclusion is that if something like DVDSP isn’t in the Mac App Store it may still be available in the online Apple Store.
One thing Apple has never done is simply allow software to disappear.
[Sohrab Sandhu] “Why should it bother you? Do you think the credibilty of the FCP X will get eroded even before the release by these speculations?”
These people can cause others to panic if they believe what they are reading is fact rather than speculation.
For example if the OP had said IF FCP Studio is dead rather than it looks like FCP studio is dead those are two entirely different meanings. IF admits speculation. It looks like, claims they’ve seen something when they haven’t.
Someone discovering this thread would see “it looks like” and assume a fact has been presented and could make a panic decision thinking they’ve been presented with fact.
We are professional communicators/story tellers and making speculation sound as if it were fact is dangerous. That, to me, is a serious breach of trust in a forum like this.
We can speculate about the costs to move to Avid or Premiere but if someone states that FCP Studio looks dead, that’s flat out wrong. It doesn’t look anything because it wasn’t covered at the sneak peak. One can make other wild speculations that since they showed it running on an iMac that the MacPro looks dead. People need to express speculation as such and not give it the appearance of fact.
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[Tom Wolsky] “Anybody notice there was no Tools menu in the interface? I think there are going to be a lot of things missing in this first version of the application. Maybe it just wasn’t in the early version. The demoed version was reportedly the same version shown in February.”
Mac user interface has gotten a fair bit less menu-centric in the days since the original Final Cut Pro interface was designed, so I wouldn’t read too much into sparse menu bar items.
And the Tools menu in particular is an odd grab bag of three different largely unrelated sorts of commands. I can trivially think of more sensible places for almost every function in there. The commands that display things like the video scopes and the audio mixer should be in the Window menu with the commands that show/hide the viewer, timeline, etc. Keyboard layout and so forth should be in Preferences. And all the clip analysis/conversion items would be much more at home in a ‘Clip’ menu, which FCP 7 hasn’t got, but:
FCP X does.
Apple got rid of another such ‘miscellaneous’ menu in the transition from OS 9 to OS X: the Special menu. It didn’t mean OS X provided no way to shut down your Mac or eject a disk 😉
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Digital Workflow/Colorist, Nice Dissolve.You should follow me on Twitter here. Or read Does FCP X make project files obsolete? on our blog.
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“And if you don’t like my talk, just don’t read it.”
Yes. That will suffice.
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What a fun thread!
Can I play?
(clearing throat and announcing in my most stentorian tones…)
Unless FCP X, honors my individual needs above those of ALL others and conforms to my personal workflow expectations, I hereby reserve the right to complain to everyone who will listen (and, of course those who don’t wish to.)
Oh, also, – before I forget – (because this matters a LOT to me!) – upon completion of my projects, any new iteration of VCP must throw up ONE giant glowing button that is marked AUTO OUTPUT BILL’S WORK IN A FORM EXACTLY AS HIS CLIENTS NEED IT AND MAIL IT TO THEM INSTANTLY IN A FORM THAT WILL WORK PERFECTLY WITHOUT FAIL — (and the software must complete such distribution in less than five minutes regardless of the size of the output file because he’s impatient and HATES having to wait for stuff) – well, that’s it.
Unless you do this FCP team… I will consider this release an ABJECT failure and immediately move my business to alternate software where I’m sure the new company WILL concentrate ALL their efforts on making sure their stuff works precisely to my personal specifications and who will strive always keep ME happy because, after all, **I** am the center of the editing universe and all shall tremble before my awesomeness…
(Huh, now I get it – that DID make me feel much more “in control” and better about my life.)
Thank you.
; )
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Conner
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