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How many here really dislike audio tracks and the viewer?
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[Craig Seeman] “I have no problem with that. Given Apple’s methodology with this I suspect it will be contextual though rather than always on. Of course we know many editors want always on though. Personally I’m not wedded to always on. There are times when I need it.”
I once got a tour of the Disney Magic cruise liner bridge.
Great view, state of the art controls.
Later, the first officer took us on a tour of the port side remote steering controls, which are used to control the massive ship when in a specialized situation like tuning up the ships position next to an object that you can’t see from way up on the bridge.
Sure enough, a passenger got ill on the cruise, and when the sea ambulance came alongside, the ship was piloted by those very same remote controls.
I suspect they too, designed and built the primary steering apparatus first – since that would be used 99% of the time. Then designed the remote unit to meet the needs of the special operations.
It appears that FCP-X is developing with the same general sort of thinking.
Get the core stuff in place first, test it and perfect it so that everything works properly. Then design and install the items that are used less often but fulfill specific needs.
Made for a great cruise ship.
I suspect the same approach will end up constructing a great editing tool as well.
We shall see.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Lance Bachelder] “I know there are a lot of sound guys out there with old gear because they don’t want to update their plug-ins etc. but cry me a river…”
It was well into the life of FCP legacy that some sound people were still requesting 3/4″ with ch2 or address track time code.
If you look at Avid’s ProTools Hardware upgrade pricing I think you’d see the river of tears.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if Logic Pro X took advantage of those tears. Not that I’d know off hand how they’d do that.
Just my personal conjecture but I was thinking we wouldn’t see Logic in the App Store until X came out. That Logic is in there now makes me think that Apple is not rushing it out X for some XTra work being done. Yes only my personal conjecture.
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[Rafael Amador] “Some people are unable to understand that for some others, video editing is like the chess game where you need a board where to see all your pieces at the same time. “
Just because I can’t resist – you do realize that there are lots and lots of exceptional chess players who are so good that they don’t even need a physical board?
They simply “think differently’ about the game than the player that has to exclusively use visual cues to maintain orientation.
Once again, what YOU may need to edit effectively, might not be what I need.
That’s the wonderful thing about choice.
The X coders may or may not ever put back what you miss, Rafael. But without doubt, they’ve forced all of us to re-consider what we “must” have to be able to create effective content.
In my case, it’s been an exciting and personally empowering new path. I’m so much more excited to approach my editing work with these new tools than I was after 10+ years of Legacy.
Sorry you’re not having as enjoyable time.
Peace.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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I hope your right about Logic X – would be great to send FCPX show right into Logic for final mix including surround. Been looking at Logic a lot lately and it really is uber cool – just don’t know anyone using it for post sound.
I’ve been spoiled as a long-time Vegas user being able to do full surround mix while editing picture but want to go fully Apple if possible – nothing against Windows at all just really like FCPX!
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[Lance Bachelder] “What are you using OMF’s for? OMF’s and EDLs are very old legacy stuff. “
Although I agree with your point about AAFs, OMF is still more universally accepted in the audio world. I have yet to have any ProTools guy ask for AAFs. About old stuff, the top commercial mixer in our town (does most of the agency work) is still on ProTools running on OS9! His system rocks.
EDLs are preferred by the DI guys. I have a client who uses a top commercial colorist in LA for his grading work on spots. They have a Baselight system and the request is always for EDLs. Yep, a 40-year-old standard that still seems to be more versatile in this file-based world 😉
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Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Bill Davis] “Just because I can’t resist – you do realize that there are lots and lots of exceptional chess players who are so good that they don’t even need a physical board?”
They may not NEED one to conceive a game in their head, but I don’t know anyone who doesn’t WANT one.
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[Bill Davis] “you do realize that there are lots and lots of exceptional chess players who are so good that they don’t even need a physical board? They simply “think differently’ about the game than the player that has to exclusively use visual cues to maintain orientation.”
Bill your metaphors are so illogical that I can’t resist, especially since I grew up with one of those chess players, one who could give me a drubbing without looking at the board. But they don’t “think differently” — they have the ability to visualize the board in their minds, and in the case of those who can play simultaneous blind chess, the memory to go from one visualization to another. But the board they visualized is the board you can see – they don’t have it encoded in a different way. A chess board is a chessboard, 64 spaces arranged vertically and horizontally. If my brother had grown up with a magnetic chessboard, where ranks and files came and went as the game changed, he’d have switched to bridge long ago.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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But it wash´t Apple´s idea. There have been others before. Edius has a single-viewer option and I used it there also depending on projects. Yes it was an Option, but I take real estate on my screen over a frozen viewer any time.
What´s nice in Avid are the 4 viewers….I think a modern software should know when we need 2 or 4 and when 1 is enough. Because in X I never really miss the viewer, but when I see a demo of Avid with 4 i see the point in certain situations. I don´t think the editor decides, but the software should understand which tool needs more than 1 viewer.
Pretty much like some tools in FCP (roll, ripple, slip, slide) where you had the “choice” which means you had o press buttons which takes time. In X the software decides depending on your mouse position. Something Avid does also. It is a mix of “deciding and resulting options”.
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[Bill Davis] “It’s clear to all here that you’ve been pretty relentlessly negative about FCP-X as an approach to editing. “
Again Bill, that’s simply your point of view, which has little relationship to my own POV.
The reality is, as I’ve said here many times before, X doesn’t work for the majority of those with whom I interface, so therefore it doesn’t work for me. I’m certainly not the only one saying that here, and there are many users around the world who have the same problem with FCPX.
I’m very happy that X works for you Bill; it’s too bad you’re incapable of accepting that X doesn’t work the same for everyone else.
BTW, for the record, if you search the Cow for the terms “weiss translation,” you will find that going way back to August 2011, I argued that, even though Apple said it was impossible, an XML translation tool could be developed that would make importing legacy projects possible.
So much for being relentlessly negative… I guess that makes me even more positive than the folks at Apple. It’s a crying shame the Apple developers didn’t bother to try making a 7 to X translator – we could have avoided many of the trails and tribulations that appear to pain you so very much.
It’s a good thing Phil Hodgetts had the fortitude to question Apple on that one. Right? So, maybe it’s not so bad to push for more?
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[Lance Bachelder] “What are you using OMF’s for?”
If this is addressed to me, I was using OMF as a minimum requirement.
Yes, AAF is more fully functional and in fact AVID now only supports AAF for export from MC.
Having said that, OMF still works fine for audio, so I think I’d just like to see FCPX try to walk before we think about running.
Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com
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