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How many here really dislike audio tracks and the viewer?
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[David Roth Weiss] “and who’d object if it reappeared, even if it’s only optional or contextual.”
Why would anyone object if it was optional?
Steve Connor
“FCPX Agitator”
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[Dominic Deacon] “It took me about 8 hours to get the scene cut satisfactorily in the end. I can’t imagine how I would done it at all if I was not able to constantly see the first frame of the incoming clip and the last frame of the previous clip at the same time. “
FCPX does this while trimming, it shows you both frames.
Steve Connor
“FCPX Agitator”
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[Steve Connor] “Why would anyone object if it was optional?”
Bill? 🙂
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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[Steve Connor] “CPX does this while trimming, it shows you both frames.”
My own beef (or Tofu or Seitan) is that it does that with mouse trimming but not keyboard. I hope they implement the latter as well. FCPX will be a major improvement over FCP7 in timeline trimming but they do need to add a few more things as I expect they will.
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So two million editors can learn Avid or Adobe but aren’t capable of learning FCPX? I have more respect for their capabilities than that.
Best,
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[John Godwin] “So two million editors can learn Avid or Adobe but aren’t capable of learning FCPX?”
Many can’t use X for what they do John, so it’s not a matter that they can’t learn it, it’s a matter of why bother.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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But I don’t use trim mode. I’m on a editor that has a choice of source and record windows seperate or unified and where trim and standard editing are seperate modes you have to jump between. I’ve never edited with a single viewer and never in trim mode. Trim modes change your mindset as an editor and to me are not as true. Of course some people disagree and prefer to work that way. Choice is key.
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Look,
A lot of this is merely some people getting stuck on the fact that they just don’t handle change well.
For years we had a rope to pull that rang the bell. We got totally conditioned to sounding the bell to signal that we were hungry.
Some people are stuck on the fact that when checking out a potential new place to live, there’s no rope! No bell! Some found that terrifying. “Will I starve? With no bell can I survive? The bell is central to my happiness” will be where their thinking gets stuck. Yes, I’m horribly and unfairly simplifying to make a broad point.
X has never been the end of all that’s good in editing.
Those who didn’t panic figured out that while, yes, the bell was disconnected, there’s now a button that operates a buzzer that gets you the same food.
Argue all you like about how much a rope and bell is “superior” to the buzzer.
But really, who cares?
If you’re any good at making videos, you can do so with any of the NLEs commonly discussed here.
Stick with the bell. Move to a place with a buzzer. Buy yourself a Gong if that floats your boat.
We’re at the point where there’s a new option in town and it’s exciting, capable and evolving rapidly.
It doesn’t diminish or invalidate other choices -it just presents a nice new one.
FCP-X is working well for many editors. The missunderstandings are fading away. The truth of the new design is earning its rightful place, in the wide arsenal it editing tools – one editor at a time.
Nobody knows what that place will be in the long run, but with a company as financially strong as Apple backing it, and a pedigree so strong in the engineering lineup – only a fool would bet against it as a wise alternative choice to keep an eye on. It will earn it place by virtue of the needs it meets for each user.
Totally fair. Totally consistent with any other competing tool.
Good time to be a video editor, in my opinion. Yes the competition is fierce, but with change always comes opportunity.
And X is opportunity writ large in my mind.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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But your comment was about Apple forcing millions of editors to retrain or die, as you said. I certainly understand that FCPX may not work for everyone’s workflow. From my probably excessive reading of this forum I haven’t seen anyone claiming that, though you like to pretend they have. I’m not certain it’ll work for mine in all cases, for that matter. But my point was that the essentials of understanding editing are common to all platforms. And that a smart person has the capability and the choice of learning one or several or all.
Why bother? Because every tool in your toolbox makes you more valuable. And I have survived enough changes in this business to appreciate that. (I’m trying to match you in condescension but I don’t think I’m capable of that.)
Best,
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[Dominic Deacon] “Trim modes change your mindset as an editor and to me are not as true. Of course some people disagree and prefer to work that way. Choice is key.”
I agree with you again Dominic.
A few years ago, someone from Apple wrote a post on the FCP Forum asking for input about changes they were thinking about making to the slow-mo and clip speed features. It stirred-up a real hornet’s nest.
Some on the forum argued vehemently that changing clip speed should ripple the timeline as it always had since the beginning of FCP. Others argued just as strongly that the clip length should change, without rippling the timeline. I told them that, ten years earlier, Discreet edit* allowed the user to toggle that feature as they saw fit. Thankfully, the Apple took my advice.
I wish Apple would get back on track with letting users have their choice. As Herb Zevush has stated many times, “Who knows better how I need to edit, me or a software engineer who’s never edited a day in his life?”
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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