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  • Help, I’m in DVD hell…

    Posted by Andrew Wise on June 20, 2005 at 11:52 am

    Hi everyone,
    I am in need of a DVD recorder that will deliver a high level of compatibility. I do alot of theatre shows and have to put out alot of DVDs that go out to alot of different players. If I get an order of 40 DVDs, they are going out to 40 different players. So far I’ve been very unhappy with the level of compatibility (the # of discs that come back with complaints “this DVD won’t work” etc…) If I put out at SP quality, I’m at around 90% (I get 10% back) which to me is no good.
    I would like to hear from anyone who has a system that is working well for them, especially if they are putting out lots of DVDs (at a good quality level) and getting very few ,or none, back.
    I would also like to know if there is a difference in compatibility levels between a $200 recorder from Circuit City, an $800 ‘industrial’ recorder from Pioneer (PRV-9200) or a $4000 ‘professional’ recorder from Pioneer (PRV-LX1).
    The format I’m talking about is DVD-R. It’s my understanding that that is the most compatible DVD format.
    This is the biggest problem that I have in my company right now and any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks in advance,
    Andrew

  • 13 Replies
  • Walter Biscardi

    June 20, 2005 at 11:59 am

    We have several DVD Forums on the Cow, I would suggest you post your question there as well.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    Creative Genius, Biscardi Creative Media
    https://www.biscardicreative.com

    Now in Production, “The Rough Cut,” https://www.theroughcutmovie.com

    “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters

  • Bouncing Account needs new email address

    June 20, 2005 at 12:23 pm

    The problem many times is the PLAYER.
    DVDs and CDs that can be “Burned” are a completely different composition as commercially-made “printed” DVDs.

    There are MANY DVD players out there that simply WON’T play “burned” DVDs.

    There are several workarounds.

    Try various other brands of burning media and/or using x1 and x2 (older, slower) media (but then you might end up with a brand clients A,B, and C can now use, but (formerly-happy) clients X, Y, and Z suddenly
    now CAN’T.

    On larger orders, have the DVDs “mastered and printed” by a local dub-house.
    The most creative solution I’ve heard is (for “regular clients”) go to a discounter and BUY several inexpensive DVD players (under $30, especially if you buy several at once).
    Test the player in the store to make sure it will play your burned DVDs.
    I’ve found that many new inexpensive players work GREAT with my burned copies.
    If you work with many clients over and over (and they can’t play your DVDs) GIVE them one of these inexpensive players.

  • Tom Matthies

    June 20, 2005 at 1:26 pm

    Although “New” is not necessarily better when it comes to players. I bought a standalone DVD burner that used the +R media. I use it to burn quick “check” DVD’s for clients. When I checked the recordings from this deck, a brand new, yet inexpensive, Cyberhome player cannot read the +R discs. I also have a nearly four year old Pioneer player that plays the +R’s without any problems.
    It seems to depend entirely on the decks. Burned disc’s just aren’t universally playable.
    Tom

  • Mitchji

    June 20, 2005 at 3:07 pm

    Hi,

    Using high quality media (Maxell, Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden), burning at a lower speed, keeping the max bit rate to about 7 with AC3 audio is about all you can do.

    Best Wishes,

    Mitch

  • Chris Babbitt

    June 20, 2005 at 4:09 pm

    The fact that you mention “SP quality” suggests to me that you are producing your DVDs on a standalone recorder. Based on my own experience, a 90% compatibility rate is very good. Mine was more like 80%. One of the reasons for this is that some of the recorders do not put an Audio_TS folder on the disc. Although it’s just an empty folder, some players look for this. Since I switched to burning DVDs on my Mac and my duplicating tower, my success rate has been 100%.

  • David Rowan

    June 20, 2005 at 4:57 pm

    Oh, and make sure your not using paper lables. You know, the CD stomper Glue on type sticky lables? They are a big no-no on DVD’s.

    DWR

  • Andrew Wise

    June 20, 2005 at 6:39 pm

    Thank you for your reply. It sounds like I need to rethink the way I do my DVDs. Could I ask you to point me in the right direction for learning that process? I don’t mind learning on my own, I just need a starting point. Are you using DVD Studio Pro?
    Thanks
    Andrew

  • Bouncing Account needs new email address

    June 20, 2005 at 9:32 pm

    Hi Chris (and all),

    Just to keep things in perspective, my experience is just the OPPOSITE of Chris’.

    I was having trouble getting my Mac-burned DVDs to play on several other players.

    I bought an inexpensive set-top DVD Recorder (Sansui from Sears!) and the DVDs I burn on it will play on virtually ALL my various clients DVD players.
    The thing about set-top DVD Recorders is that they burn in 1-to-1 (“Real-time”) and that can mean a disc is being burned “deeper” by the laser so that might make is easier to read on more machines.
    Also, my Sansui burns DVD-R’s (like the Mac) and DVD-R media is supposed to be more compatible.
    Many set-top units burn DVD+R and that could mean more problems with compatibility.

    Some of the players in my preview will play the Mac discs, most will play the Sansui discs, and some units will play BOTH source’s discs.

  • Evie

    June 21, 2005 at 12:19 am

    Hi, if you don’t use a label, what do you use? Is there another approach that will make them look equally professional?

  • Andrew Wise

    June 21, 2005 at 12:34 am

    Hi Matte,
    Thanks for your post and thanks to everyone else who responded. This is the kind of stuff you won’t find in the manuals.
    A couple of questions, if you don’t mind. Are you putting discs out at SP quality or LP. Secondly, what is your success rate (roughly) percentage wise?
    I put my discs out on SP. I like the quality but I get 10 to 15% of the discs back. I redo those on LP. It does the trick but I’m not satisfied with the quality of LP. I’m just looking for a better way of working.
    Thanks all,
    Andrew

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