Full wedding

[Oki Pienandoro]

Assuming you’re talking about DVD-Video, not some sort of another compression format that were burn as files on DVD, then the answer is yes, you can export 122 minutes video them to DVD-DL (dual layer).

The procedure a little bit different from common DVD single layer burn. You need to build DVD-Video folder, then edit them using PGC-Edit. Oh, and you need imgburn, since imgburn can read layer break information properly.

If you want to push 122 min to single layer dvd, the only option is push the bitrate down, and i can tell you it looks ugly.

Do note however, not every DVD player can read DVD-DL. Many old DVD player can’t read the second layer.

Oh one more thing, if you want to use DVD-DL, make sure it was DVD+R, don’t use DVD-R.

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Sorry for the english, not native speaker.

[Jeff Pulera]

I’ve been delivering 2-hour DVDs for weddings and stage events for many years and I have never had a single complaint about quality, and this is with the 4.7GB discs.

Use 2-pass VBR with a 4.5 average bitrate. If the source is HD, then check the box in AME for “Max Render Quality” as this will maximize the downscaling quality. This assumes you do use AME and not trying the Dynamic Link, not recommended.

Thanks

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

[Jeff Day]

Thanks guys for the input, this is all new to me so I really appreciate it. I shoot with a Canon MarkIII so it is high quality. I exported with the preset Mpeg2-DVD, did the VBR-2pass. I see 3 settings for bitrate, minimum, target, and max….where do you set Avg? The exporting took hours, is this normal?

Also when it finished, there were 4 files, the audio file was seperate from the video, is this normal?

Thanks again!
Jeff

[Oki Pienandoro]

Yes that was normal. Also rendering in GPU renderer speed things a bit.
Yes, the ‘average’ means ‘target’ bitrate. Maybe i was wrong about this, but in many other application, the component were ‘min, max, and average’. So i assume Adobe changed the naming scheme from average to target ? Idk. CMIIW.

If the whole sequence is mostly flat scene (little camera movement, no noise, etc that affect compression efficiency) then yeah,..you can fit 120 minutes into single layer DVD.

In my case i deal with many camera movements, scene changes, multiple stream subtitles and animated menu, this will produce a bigger file size.

Setting 4 Mbps on target introduce macroblock in my case.

In the end, your result may vary and really depends on your case.

Just put the default target, see if there’s macroblocks especially in camera movement scene. If the result were good and under 4,7 GB, you’re good to go.

If it produce macroblocks, you need to increase the bitrate. But for 120 Min files it may produce file bigger than 4.7 GB if you increased the bitrate, see my above reply.

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Sorry for the english, not native speaker.

[Jeff Day]

Ok I successfully burned a DVD with the suggested settings, it looks pretty good. Now I bought the dual layer DVD’s and want to see the difference. What should the settings be for pushing the boundaries of 8.5 gig DL DVD’s?

Thanks again!
Jeff

[Jon Doughtie]

You may find the VideoHelp calculator useful.

https://www.videohelp.com/calc.htm

[Oki Pienandoro]

Just push the bitrate to 9 MB.
All DVD player spec at the very minimum should/can sustained 9,8 Mbps.

Excerpt from https://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/DVD/Book_B/Video.html

Contrary to popular belief: all DVD players are required to decode video streams up to 9.8 Mbit/sec for indefinite periods of time. The popular average rate of 3.5 Mbit/sec or 4.7 Mbit/sec are merely canonical figures created by the notion that only single sided, single layer discs will hold feature length films. Should Single Sided, Double Layer discs prevail, the average rate would be almost twice as great. ALL DVD PLAYERS MUST SUSTAIN A 9.8 MBIT/SEC VIDEO DECODE RATE

It’s not worth it to increased the bitrate if the result is good.
My rule of thumb were, if there are no noticeable macro block artifact, then it’s good enough.
There are very-very little improvement if you increase the bitrate.

Instead of wasting DVD-DL for the sake of testing, you can directly compare the result with the export files using AE/Premiere.

If you feel fancy enough, you can compare the result automatically using MSU Video Measurement Tools. It will give you nice graph.
(you need to know how to use basic AVISynth)

https://www.compression.ru/video/quality_measure/vqmt_download_en.html#free

Oh,.one more thing i forgot to mention earlier. The downside using DVD-DL is when the head is changing the layer during playback, there will be some kind of hiccup. Most of the times the playback will freeze a bit when changing layer.
This can be avoided if the layer break information is really good (DON’T use layer break information generated by Adobe Encore).
Just google how to use PGC Edit.

IMO burning to DVD-DL is the last thing i wanna do unless there are no other option left.

On my case, i put some text disclaimer at the start of video for viewers, “This DVD is DVD-DL, there will be pause during playback due changing layer, bla-bla-bla”

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Sorry for the english, not native speaker.