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FSI – trustworthy or not? Maybe plasma better?
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[Bob Cole] “Hear, hear. This is especially problematic when the client is not in the suite, and views the edit on his own computer. When I deliver a .wmv file with a highly-saturated blue background, and the client says it looks “muddy” on his never-calibrated laptop, I’m at a loss. “
Why be at a loss? Just explain the problem! Or offer to calibrate his/her laptop a bit with your own kit (what we do).
BasicColor is a pretty good ICC profiler. Not for pro use really (no 3D LUTS) but very good to help clients’ home computer screens be less crazy-awful.
Clients thank us for the added bonus to their daily lives.
You just have to be respectful – clients are not colorists – you are – it’s normal that they know less than you about these things.
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I would only caution that we regularly test just about every probe we can get our hands on and if you elect to use calibration other than what is built in we strongly recommend using at least 5nm spectral bandwidth spectroradiometers. We find significant deviations when going to 8nm and especially 10nm spectral bandwidth spectroradiometers. If we felt we could use a $1,000 probe to calibrate our units we certainly would, we don’t invest in the significantly more expensive probes because it is fun, it is just what we find is necessary to get good results.
Bram,
can you go into more detail regarding the probes you are mentioning here… I’m assuming by the US$1,000 probes you are referring to the i1Pro spectros (10nm)…
Obviously, proper calibration equipment is as important as the capability of the screen, but if you’re saying one needs a US$11,000 (or higher) spectro to do a decent calibration on the FSI screens (as in: correcting the default color inaccuracies) then this is a very important consideration…
Can you elaborate on the deviations you found when using a 10nm spectro and how severe it was for the FSI screens ? Obviously 2nm / 5nm meters are more accurate, it would be interesting to know how much of a difference you guys encountered…
Low light capability is less of a concern, as any spectro will be used to profile a colorimeter…
Thanks.
– Mike Nagel
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FSI has just announced they have added LightSpace CMS compatibility to their 10bit displays!
See: https://www.lightillusion.com/zippdf/fsi_adds_lightspace_compatibility.pdf
The LM-2461W, LM-2460W, and CM-170 now feature custom calibration 3D LUT import capabilities! These units can now import calibration LUTs created in FSI’s 64x64x64 3D LUT format. Specifically, we are are pleased to announce that customers using the latest version of LightIllusion’s world-renowned LightSpace application can begin exporting 3D LUTs in this format right away for easy import and use on their monitors! This adds a whole new level of flexibility allowing for custom calibration, user created color spaces, integration with a wide range of popular probes, and custom LUT manipulation.
Steve
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Hi Steve!
Could you clarify:
Do FSI monitors now come pre-calibrated using Lightspace and/or your certification? Or are they still, “out-of-the-box”, the same as before?
If they now use your methods to pre-calibarte, they just became truly excellent value in my opinion.
New FSIs should also have some kind of “Lightspace Certified” sticker.
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The LM-2461W and CM-170 now feature 3D LUTs for color space management created within LightSpace. You can instantly switch between these (e.g. Rec709, EBU, etc.) and you can also load additional USER created color spaces from LightSpace so you can retain both our LightSpace generated LUTs (based on our reference instruments and LightSpace settings) and your own LightSpace generated LUTs (based on your own reference instruments and LightSpace settings).
At FSI our Direct Connect Automatic Alignment system is still used in conjunction with this process for automated white balance, peak white luminance, and gamma setup before the 3D LUTs are applied. This just simplifies the process during production as it provides an optimal ‘neutral’ starting point before the application of the 3D LUT. Of course if you want to use your own reference probes for calibration or account for monitor drift over time or even environmental variables then the monitor still features manual gain/bias and backlight (luminance) adjustment so you can also manually set this per the standard LightSpace instructions before profiling to get optimal results according to your own probe’s readings.
So yes, the default color space selection LUTs (Rec 709, EBU, etc.) were generated in LightSpace, but this does not necessarily mean that you have to use the default LUTs we created as you can load your own from (USER1, USER2, USER3) LUTs. Basically we tried to make this as advantageous and flexible for all customers. Hope that makes sense, but email our support team if you have more questions: Support@FlandersScientific.com
Bram Desmet
FSI (Flanders Scientific, Inc.)
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THAT’S AMAZING NEWS!
A further question:
Can existing FSI customers get their monitos re-certified via Lightspace calibration?
And a suggestion:
Now that your electronics support 3D LUTs fully, it would be great oif you added monitor emulation, like Dolby does. You could have a Sony Bravia, a Panny plasma, Old LCD, Typical Torch Mode and so on, so that clients could see how some consumers will view material, and correct problems like crazy banding (plasma) lost dark regions/faded blacks (many Best Buy LCDs) etc.
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Better get in on the NAB B-Stock deal ASAP! Bram and all the FSI folks are the best! I put my order in for a 2361w a few minutes ago. Love my 2340w!
Not paid by FSI, just know what a good bunch they are!
Clark Bierbaum
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We plan on getting a panel soon. I hear now with the new approach to calibration, they are way better than ever before – on par with just about anything out there.
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Now that your electronics support 3D LUTs fully, it would be great oif you added monitor emulation, like Dolby does. You could have a Sony Bravia, a Panny plasma, Old LCD, Typical Torch Mode and so on, so that clients could see how some consumers will view material, and correct problems like crazy banding (plasma) lost dark regions/faded blacks (many Best Buy LCDs) etc.
With the LightSpace integration you can do that by default. Just profile any other display and then build a matching LUT to that profile using the FSI profile as the source.
Simples!!!
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