Foreign Film 2016 Oscar Contender from Spain Edited in X.

[David Roth weiss]

Here we go again, if you don’t like FCP X there’s clearly something wrong or broken with you. In this case the entire US movie industry is just plain wrong, but the industry everywhere else has, based solely on this report, clearly got things figured out properly.

Bill, if you had simply reported the facts and left out your editorializing this story would have had at least some meaning. Now it’s just another story about you and your opinions of all who don’t agree with you.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los Angeles

David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Bill Davis] “while the US movie industry was testing and re-testing and worrying about whether everything related to if X was “pro enough””

The US movie industry (I assume you mean just ‘Hollywood’ and are excluding indies) was testing and re-testing? I thought they were just making Oscar winning movies using Avid like they have been for a couple of decades now. FCP 7 was probably the closest anyone has come to unseating Avid, but even at 7’s peak Avid was still used on the majority of projects and considered the de facto NLE.

Like I said in the old FCP days, when it’s no longer newsworthy that an NLE other than Avid was used to cut a Hollywood movie or big time TV show then that will be the signal X, PPro, Resolve, etc., has finally made it in Hollywood.

Of course this entire discussion is pretty much meaningless because we all know that a feature film work is irrelevant to 95% of the editors out there. 😉

[Bill Davis]

Not going to bite.

I’ve never written ANYTHING like the opinions you are trying to ascribe to me in your post.

It’s just a reflection of what you THINK I meant when you read what I write and spin it around inside your own head, David – and largely you are very much wrong.

Look back and you won’t find a SINGLE word I’ve written taking anyone to task for making a different editing software decision (save my notorious opinions about the Adobe FINANCIAL model which has nothing to do with actual editing at all.)

I stand by what I *actually* said. The somewhat hysterical doom and gloom discourse about X as a “toy” program that took place here during the period this article directly addresses was flat out and demonstrably wrong. And folks who saw through it and gave the software a FAIR chance against it’s equally useful competition – are experiencing success.

Now I’m going back to not paying attention to what you write here – unless as in this case you make it about me personally rather than about the opinions I’m expressing in a forum that’s all about opinions.

Have a nice day.

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[Jim Wiseman]

@David: If you don’t want to hear anything positive about FCPX, I would suggest you stay on the Adobe boards. I would hope that positive as well as negative things could be said about the program under discussion here without backbiting like this. It seems to me that Bill was merely suggesting we take a look at what was done with FCPX even at a very early stage. I went to the URL and found the interview and the example video of the film quite edifying. A more positive spirit of discourse would be appreciated.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 & 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC: Mid 2015 MacBook Pro Retina 15″: 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro Retina 2015, i7, 500GB, M370X 2GB: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems

[David Roth weiss]

Oh! Okay Jim, I get it now… It’s okay to debate here on the debate forum so long as I agree with you, otherwise I need to leave. I’m glad you explained that.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los Angeles

David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.

[Charlie Austin]

I’m starting a feature right now on this secret new version of X.

Premiere, Media Composer, the old FCP X, FCP 7 and Resolve can suck it! 🙂

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~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Andrew Kimery]

[Jim Wiseman] ” It seems to me that Bill was merely suggesting we take a look at what was done with FCPX even at a very early stage.”

Then why not just post that X was used on this movie and here is a link with more info and leave it at that? Why make an unrelated comment about Hollywood if you don’t want that to end up as part of the discussion too?

[Andrew Kimery]

[Charlie Austin] “I’m starting a feature right now on this secret new version of X.”

Make sure you document your process on social media so we can all enjoy the time machine together. 😉

[Charlie Austin]

[Andrew Kimery] “Make sure you document your process on social media so we can all enjoy the time machine together. ;)”

Oh, I will. As soon as I get my modem to work…

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~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Jim Wiseman]

Someone has to have had their sensibilities affronted by all the negativity about X expressed almost everywhere, especially in the beginning from certain segments of the post world. This is bound to raise some emotion. I’ve worked in LA, SF and Chicago in broadcast and features, and sold installed and maintained over 50 Avids in Hawaii. I can understand the angst and biting of the tongue that occurs when people take a superior attitude based on the idea that one thing or another is just “the” system to use. Avid in LA, for instance, has become a self perpetuating industry. It has the great advantage in workgroups, but for the type of work that most one man bands do, or more flexible shops, I wouldn’t waste my time or money on it. In LA it is a necessity, though, of course. Thankfully, most of us have more freedom of choice. Adobe, with their economic model, drove me to FCPX, and surprise, I like it.

I find Bill’s sometimes emotional promotion of FCPX refreshing. It may irritate some here, but hey, we all have a style. I’ve found some others to be a lot more irritating. But I also find that most attempt to be elucidating. I pay attention to them and shine on the rest. Feel free to shine me on if you wish. It’s only ASCII text, after all. Just scroll on by.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 & 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC: Mid 2015 MacBook Pro Retina 15″: 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro Retina 2015, i7, 500GB, M370X 2GB: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems